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- 19 Sep 2016 15:16
- Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
- Topic: English Orthography Reform
- Replies: 402
- Views: 199105
Re: English Orthography Reform
Looks to me that orthographically Finnish doesn't really represent the spoken language. Hmm Compared to English orthography it is much more regular, but you already refused to accept that . Were you able to understand it? Don't lie. I have a college reading level. I don't represent all the function...
- 16 Sep 2016 17:48
- Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
- Topic: English Orthography Reform
- Replies: 402
- Views: 199105
Re: English Orthography Reform
All of these arguments have been quite thoroughly debunked in the links I provided. a) The overwhelming majority of English words have a perfectly regular and predictable spelling and pronunciation; Then why is the English the most difficult language to learn to read out of all European languages? R...
- 16 Sep 2016 15:01
- Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
- Topic: English Orthography Reform
- Replies: 402
- Views: 199105
Re: English Orthography Reform
Actually, I recently saw this video and it made a pretty good point that maybe we don't need to reform orthography much or at all. There may be some small places where we can iron out some inconsistencies, but this video completely changed my view on English orthography. All arguments against spell...
- 14 Sep 2016 18:02
- Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
- Topic: Non-English Orthography Reform
- Replies: 294
- Views: 119699
Re: Non-English Orthography Reform
So creating new hanzi by combining two existing hanzi is not permitted? Any new hanzi must be coined using that limited set of semanto-phonetic components? That seems reasonable and it should be easy to implement such a composition model for computer fonts. Great idea!
- 14 Sep 2016 17:06
- Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
- Topic: Non-English Orthography Reform
- Replies: 294
- Views: 119699
Re: Non-English Orthography Reform
I can see the benefits of recreating the hanzi inventory from scratch based on how modern Mandarin is spoken. However, I am against a composition model and favor writing the semanto-phonetic components independently. The advantage of this is that it would be much easier to create new morphemes if yo...
- 14 Sep 2016 14:34
- Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
- Topic: Non-English Orthography Reform
- Replies: 294
- Views: 119699
Re: Non-English Orthography Reform
The point of reducing the inventory of hanzi to a handful of radicals, over simply adopting pinyin, is nationalism. Learning to read English as a native speaker was already difficult enough; I can't imagine what learning to read Mandarin would be like.
- 13 Sep 2016 19:37
- Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
- Topic: Pictographic writing system
- Replies: 5
- Views: 2563
Re: Pictographic writing system
There are no real pictographic or ideographic writing systems. Logographic scripts assign semantic and phonetic meanings to graphemes and combine those to indicate words in the writer's own spoken language. I can't find the page right now, but I recall someone writing a book using only emoji. The in...
- 13 Sep 2016 17:26
- Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
- Topic: Non-English Orthography Reform
- Replies: 294
- Views: 119699
Re: Non-English Orthography Reform
I'm not quite sure what you mean by "reading Hanzi", but taken at the meaning of "look at characters and understand what they mean", then "reading hanzi" does not require learning Mandarin grammar. I look at 山 and understand that it means mountain; I look at 禁止酒後開車 and...
- 13 Sep 2016 15:02
- Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
- Topic: Non-English Orthography Reform
- Replies: 294
- Views: 119699
Re: Non-English Orthography Reform
Reading hanzi still requires learning Mandarin grammar. There are heterograms , where a phonemic multigraph in one script is a logogram in another. The literacy rate in China ~95%. The test for literacy is rated at a 4th grade level requiring the memorization of ~900 hanzi. Most of this literacy is ...
- 12 Sep 2016 14:51
- Forum: Linguistics & Natlangs
- Topic: Non-English Orthography Reform
- Replies: 294
- Views: 119699
Re: Non-English Orthography Reform
I was researching logographies and comparing different methods. One trait that distinguishes Hanzi from Hieroglyphics and Cuneiform is that the latter used separate determinatives to distinguish phonemes whereas the former created new graphemes that combined the determinatives with the phonemes. How...
- 09 Sep 2016 17:48
- Forum: Beginners' Corner
- Topic: How to indicate pronunciation for English speakers?
- Replies: 17
- Views: 3718
Re: How to indicate pronunciation for English speakers?
If Widge is pronounced /widʒ/, then I'd go with the spelling Weege instead. I am not distinguishing length or height in that orthography. No, but presumably you're distinguishing between /ɪ/ and /i/. (I'd suggest Weej, but that's probably because I've been replaying Skyrim lately and running into A...
- 09 Sep 2016 14:56
- Forum: Beginners' Corner
- Topic: How to indicate pronunciation for English speakers?
- Replies: 17
- Views: 3718
Re: How to indicate pronunciation for English speakers?
I also don't see why you can't use <j> to represent /dʒ/ everywhere: an English speaker would certainly interpret it that way everywhere. You seem to be making your language names conform to English orthography, which you can do if you want. If your audience is doing things like <dh> /d/, though, t...
- 08 Sep 2016 19:56
- Forum: Beginners' Corner
- Topic: How to indicate pronunciation for English speakers?
- Replies: 17
- Views: 3718
Re: How to indicate pronunciation for English speakers?
Do you have an example of some of these "impossible" names? I bet they're not as impossible as you think. That being said, you might just have to live with people mispronouncing names. How many people pronounce Tolkien's <Celeborn> with /s/ instead of /k/? And he put out tons of informati...
- 08 Sep 2016 19:09
- Forum: Beginners' Corner
- Topic: How to indicate pronunciation for English speakers?
- Replies: 17
- Views: 3718
Re: How to indicate pronunciation for English speakers?
I don't think a quick and dirty pronunciation guide is at all a bad idea. If it's simple and short enough and you place it before your main story, your readers might even take note of it. Apart from that, the best solution is probably to choose names for which a naive English reading isn't too far ...
- 08 Sep 2016 15:12
- Forum: Beginners' Corner
- Topic: How to indicate pronunciation for English speakers?
- Replies: 17
- Views: 3718
How to indicate pronunciation for English speakers?
When one invents names for speculative fiction, native English speakers will mangle the pronunciation since English lacks correspondence between spelling and pronunciation. How could this be avoided without including a pronunciation guide (which is pointless for English)?
- 30 Aug 2016 14:43
- Forum: Beginners' Corner
- Topic: Semi-syllabary: mix of alphabet, abugida and syllabary?
- Replies: 29
- Views: 7168
Re: Semi-syllabary: mix of alphabet, abugida and syllabary?
Interesting. It reminds me of a couple conscripts on omniglot that use a stem and branch arrangement.Keenir wrote: at the time I made it, nothing inspired it.
in hindsight, I can see bits of Ogham (the vowels stabbing into the word), and English & Korean (the o bit) :)
- 29 Aug 2016 15:03
- Forum: Beginners' Corner
- Topic: Semi-syllabary: mix of alphabet, abugida and syllabary?
- Replies: 29
- Views: 7168
Re: Semi-syllabary: mix of alphabet, abugida and syllabary?
The more I read this thread, the more confused I get. In this day and age you can't make anything without it being derivative of something else, be it constructed scripts, languages, music, sculpture, fiction, comedy, whatever. That doesn't mean you shouldn't make anything, it just means you just t...
- 25 Aug 2016 14:40
- Forum: Beginners' Corner
- Topic: Semi-syllabary: mix of alphabet, abugida and syllabary?
- Replies: 29
- Views: 7168
Re: Semi-syllabary: mix of alphabet, abugida and syllabary?
I guess I misunderstood then. The OP made it sound as though you were making an original conscript that was simply based on these ancient scripts, not just doing a spelling reform. This line: ...constructing a script based on Old Persian and the Paleohispanic scripts. is what led me to that conclus...
- 24 Aug 2016 19:46
- Forum: Beginners' Corner
- Topic: Semi-syllabary: mix of alphabet, abugida and syllabary?
- Replies: 29
- Views: 7168
Re: Semi-syllabary: mix of alphabet, abugida and syllabary?
A conscripter who does not want to make a conscript because there are already a lot of them? I'm honestly a little confused! Oh, so you were not creating a new script, just reforming Old Persian? Because I'd like to see a completely new conscript that employs the rules you've set out. Omniglot alon...
- 24 Aug 2016 14:24
- Forum: Beginners' Corner
- Topic: Semi-syllabary: mix of alphabet, abugida and syllabary?
- Replies: 29
- Views: 7168
Re: Semi-syllabary: mix of alphabet, abugida and syllabary?
Omniglot alone has a massive number of conscripts (mostly alphabets), so IMO that feels like reinventing the wheel.clawgrip wrote:Oh, so you were not creating a new script, just reforming Old Persian? Because I'd like to see a completely new conscript that employs the rules you've set out.