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PostPosted: Fri 09 Mar 2012, 16:25 
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How does it remove nothing? Most religions that have crazy beliefs are Thetistic religions. No gods=no belief that some higher being is commanding you to kill thousands just fo having different beliefs or some other stupid shit like that.

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PostPosted: Fri 09 Mar 2012, 17:33 
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Chagen wrote:
How does it remove nothing? Most religions that have crazy beliefs are Thetistic religions. No gods=no belief that some higher being is commanding you to kill thousands just fo having different beliefs or some other stupid shit like that.

Having no gods doesn't eliminate dogma, nor does having no religion at all. There can be dogma in political ideologies too, even those who are antireligious.

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PostPosted: Fri 09 Mar 2012, 18:28 
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rickardspaghetti wrote:
Chagen wrote:
How does it remove nothing? Most religions that have crazy beliefs are Thetistic religions. No gods=no belief that some higher being is commanding you to kill thousands just fo having different beliefs or some other stupid shit like that.

Having no gods doesn't eliminate dogma, nor does having no religion at all. There can be dogma in political ideologies too, even those who are antireligious.

Precisely. Fundamentalism isn't just limited to religion, but also to politics and, for the most part, other systems involving belief systems of some kind.

As for the topic, the one conreligion that I've developed in some detail doesn't really have fundamentalism present. This is because the religion is so, well, crazy as-is that there really isn't need for fundamentalism. Plus, any dissension from the official dogma, catchecism, or doctrine results in the punishment of immolation of the dissenter and three generations of their family upon a pyre.

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PostPosted: Fri 09 Mar 2012, 22:07 
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vampireshark wrote:
rickardspaghetti wrote:
Chagen wrote:
How does it remove nothing? Most religions that have crazy beliefs are Thetistic religions. No gods=no belief that some higher being is commanding you to kill thousands just fo having different beliefs or some other stupid shit like that.

Having no gods doesn't eliminate dogma, nor does having no religion at all. There can be dogma in political ideologies too, even those who are antireligious.

Precisely. Fundamentalism isn't just limited to religion, but also to politics and, for the most part, other systems involving belief systems of some kind.

As for the topic, the one conreligion that I've developed in some detail doesn't really have fundamentalism present. This is because the religion is so, well, crazy as-is that there really isn't need for fundamentalism. Plus, any dissension from the official dogma, catchecism, or doctrine results in the punishment of immolation of the dissenter and three generations of their family upon a pyre.

I'm guessing they're all fundamentalists by default, but you would not refer to them as such because you don't need to?

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PostPosted: Sat 10 Mar 2012, 01:49 
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rickardspaghetti wrote:
I'm guessing they're all fundamentalists by default, but you would not refer to them as such because you don't need to?

Yeah, I didn't reply to the OP because the notion of "fundamentalism" doesn't really make sense without a corresponding "modernist" movement to oppose it.

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PostPosted: Sat 10 Mar 2012, 02:36 
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Trailsend wrote:
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I'm guessing they're all fundamentalists by default, but you would not refer to them as such because you don't need to?

Yeah, I didn't reply to the OP because the notion of "fundamentalism" doesn't really make sense without a corresponding "modernist" movement to oppose it.


Same. It doesn't really make sense in conreligions that don't have multiple opposing interpretations, like all of mine. I prefer making lots of small but separate religions rather than a single large religion with dozens of variants and reformations.

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PostPosted: Sun 08 Apr 2012, 02:49 
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My conreligions tend not to have any sects, unless you count the human-supportive xarisans who disagree with their religion's prime directive (essentially to enslave the galaxy). Maybe I'm just lazy. I do have a large number of irreligious people on Hra, but most people are fairly devout. If you look at history, crazy beliefs about killing infidels (be those infidels Christian or Muslim) come from perversions of the core beliefs. I hate the term "fundamentalism" because "fundamentalist" Christians would be living frugally, helping others without any thought of reward, and saying, "No matter who you are, there is hope for you to get into heaven." I don't mean to wax philosophical, but many antitheists don't understand what Christianity really should be.

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PostPosted: Sun 08 Apr 2012, 10:51 
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Chagen wrote:
How does it remove nothing? Most religions that have crazy beliefs are Thetistic religions. No gods=no belief that some higher being is commanding you to kill thousands just fo having different beliefs or some other stupid shit like that.


You'll find any number of crazy beliefs among non-theistic religions as well, it's just here in the west, we're not that familiar with the crazier movements in buddhism and such.


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PostPosted: Mon 09 Apr 2012, 03:07 
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My conpeople, the Kàmo, consider oceans and large rivers to be holy, and pretty much worship some fish, regarding them as spirits or magical creatures. Some of the more pious members of the society will refuse to eat any fish or water-dwelling creatures because they are so special. They might even refuse to go to a feast where fish is being served. I don't have much in the way of fundamentalism other than that, mostly because the Kàmo are an ancient-styled culture; that is, they haven't been defined as a civilization for a relatively long amount of time.


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PostPosted: Mon 09 Apr 2012, 12:53 
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Solarius wrote:
In your conreligions, are there any fundamentalist movements?

Yeah - the Jaesconesh (old spelling) are pretty hardcore, to the point of exclusion and warfare. They started out here, and ended up here.


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PostPosted: Mon 09 Apr 2012, 23:14 
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Solarius wrote:
In your conreligions, are there any fundamentalist movements?

In my planned future history of Adpihi's religion (or religions?*), the notion of "fundamentalism" or its opposite, probably doesn't really apply.

However one of the major events of history was the rise and eventual defeat of an intolerant exclusionist movement that thought their version of the world religion was the only correct one, and all other versions were wrong or bad or evil or something like that.

Depending what you mean, all of Adpihi's religion(s) is(are) "fundamentalist", in the sense that few Adpihi can conceive of someone not having a religion, or of it being less than pervasively important to them.

OTOH during almost all of their history almost all of them observed a very tolerant and individual religion. A strict "splitter's" classification could say that every believer, or perhaps every nuclear family, had/has its own religion (though they're all variants of the world religion). But almost all of them have almost always assumed that someone else's relationship to their God might be different, or that their obligations to their God might be different.

Anyway: There was a very trouble-making sect. Depending on what you mean by "fundamentalist" maybe they were fundamentalist.

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