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PostPosted: Wed 02 May 2012, 17:00 
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Yes, people die in cars. People also die in their own houses. You can take your logic and declare anything a dangerous death machine.

Cars have had nearly 100 years to perfect themselves. We have everything from seatbelts to shift locks to airbags to lessen injury in accidents. Even the very suspension of most production automobiles are designed to understeer, preventing dangerous oversteer that could cause an accident. The very bodies themselves are designed to crumple as much as possible so energy in a crash goes into the body panelling and not the people inside. You should see the accidents pro racers get into--and how they rarely sustain injuries.

Sorry for sounding like you kicked my dog, but I'm having a bad day and I don't like critisism of cars that much. They're not as terrible as people make them out to be.

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PostPosted: Wed 02 May 2012, 22:55 
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Chagen wrote:
2: Love Potions are basically liquid rape, so....

Depends on whether the rapist slips it to the victim without the victim's knowledge and/or consent, or whether the affected person takes it themselves on purpose to make an act they intend to do more fun. In other words, Rohypnol or GHB (as usually used) is rape, Viagra or Cialis (as usually used) is not.




As for the question in the thread title, viz. "Which do you prefer for your world: low tech or higher tech?":

I kind of like several different tech-levels.

My main conworld/conculture starts with the arrival of humans and goes on 'til their development of interstellar travel and trade/diplomacy.

That gives me scope for pretty much anything.

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PostPosted: Wed 02 May 2012, 23:48 
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Chagen wrote:
Yes, people die in cars. People also die in their own houses. You can take your logic and declare anything a dangerous death machine.

Cars have had nearly 100 years to perfect themselves. We have everything from seatbelts to shift locks to airbags to lessen injury in accidents. Even the very suspension of most production automobiles are designed to understeer, preventing dangerous oversteer that could cause an accident. The very bodies themselves are designed to crumple as much as possible so energy in a crash goes into the body panelling and not the people inside. You should see the accidents pro racers get into--and how they rarely sustain injuries.

Sorry for sounding like you kicked my dog, but I'm having a bad day and I don't like critisism of cars that much. They're not as terrible as people make them out to be.


Ahh, love this old fallacy. "Anything with a social cost higher than zero should be banned and gotten rid of, no matter how much of a benefit it provides. Therefore, this thing X I like must be proven to have zero cost or downsides in order to justify keeping it around!"

Protip: The benefits cars provide far, far outweigh their costs, but this does not mean the costs don't exist. You're barking up the wrong tree here.

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PostPosted: Thu 03 May 2012, 00:02 
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Micamo wrote:

Ahh, love this old fallacy. "Anything with a social cost higher than zero should be banned and gotten rid of, no matter how much of a benefit it provides. Therefore, this thing X I like must be proven to have zero cost or downsides in order to justify keeping it around!"

Protip: The benefits cars provide far, far outweigh their costs, but this does not mean the costs don't exist. You're barking up the wrong tree here.



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PostPosted: Thu 03 May 2012, 07:23 
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Here is a thing for everyone that complains about anything that is dangerous.

Guys, take a guess what the most dangerous thing you do every day? Living.

By living you are everyday exposing yourself to the threat of death.

So clearly the logical thing to do to ensure people won't have that threat to them is to kill everyone.


Of course this is all highly fallacious and only intended as humour, but it's to illustrate that things are dangerous, get over it.

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PostPosted: Thu 03 May 2012, 07:48 
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zelos wrote:
things are dangerous, get over it.

Or, you know, find equally effective but less-dangerous alternatives. There's always that.

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PostPosted: Thu 03 May 2012, 09:21 
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Trailsend wrote:
zelos wrote:
things are dangerous, get over it.

Or, you know, find equally effective but less-dangerous alternatives. There's always that.


that is a good idea, but life is still dangerous so get over it :P

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PostPosted: Thu 03 May 2012, 10:23 
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zelos wrote:
Trailsend wrote:
zelos wrote:
things are dangerous, get over it.

Or, you know, find equally effective but less-dangerous alternatives. There's always that.


that is a good idea, but life is still dangerous so get over it :P

You're still being highly fallacious for the purpose of humor, right? Not as an actual point?

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PostPosted: Thu 03 May 2012, 19:33 
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Trailsend wrote:
zelos wrote:
Trailsend wrote:
zelos wrote:
things are dangerous, get over it.

Or, you know, find equally effective but less-dangerous alternatives. There's always that.


that is a good idea, but life is still dangerous so get over it :P

You're still being highly fallacious for the purpose of humor, right? Not as an actual point?

I am being fallacious for humour effect which I use in turn to get to a point.

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PostPosted: Thu 03 May 2012, 20:42 
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An interesting rhetorical strategy, but if you start with a fallacy, your point is unsound, humorous or otherwise.


Anyway.

I don't really have a preference; there are just as many possibilities for high-tech or low-tech conworlds, and I especially have fun with worlds that have a mix. Domhantir is actually pretty high-tech given the capabilities of various magic arts, but a lot of the places where I do most of my development (like Feayra) are very low tech.

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PostPosted: Thu 03 May 2012, 20:46 
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Trailsend wrote:
An interesting rhetorical strategy, but if you start with a fallacy, your point is unsound, humorous or otherwise.


Anyway.

I don't really have a preference; there are just as many possibilities for high-tech or low-tech conworlds, and I especially have fun with worlds that have a mix. Domhantir is actually pretty high-tech given the capabilities of various magic arts, but a lot of the places where I do most of my development (like Feayra) are very low tech.


If I start with a falalcy it is fallacious only within that context.

I agree though, I enjoy steampunk for example :3 great mix of laods

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PostPosted: Thu 03 May 2012, 20:49 
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zelos wrote:
If I start with a falalcy it is fallacious only within that context.

But any conclusion that then follows from it is unsound. Come on, you were just talking about logical validity over on the zeeb [;)]

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great mix of laods

I can't work this out from context...is it a typo, or term I'm not familiar with...?

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PostPosted: Thu 03 May 2012, 20:51 
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*loads (of things) would be my guess

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PostPosted: Fri 04 May 2012, 05:58 
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Aszev wrote:
*loads (of things) would be my guess

Correct =)

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But any conclusion that then follows from it is unsound. Come on, you were just talking about logical validity over on the zeeb

Only if there is a connection thats intended :P

If I use a fallacy to make a joke it is meant as a laugh because of its absurdity which I then use to make a point then the point isn't depended on the fallacy and if its not depended it is not unsound because if Iremove the fallacy it remains still valid :P Though the fallacy makes it more fun.

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PostPosted: Wed 09 May 2012, 00:43 
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In English, we just call that Sarcasm.

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PostPosted: Fri 11 May 2012, 00:31 
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Micamo wrote:
In English, we just call that Sarcasm.

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I'm a sarcasm-utilizing cynic. (yeah, that was random, but you said sarcasm, so...)
I'm also a überdragon trapped in a human body, but don't tell anyone.

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PostPosted: Fri 11 May 2012, 02:18 
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thaen wrote:
Micamo wrote:
In English, we just call that Sarcasm.

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I'm a sarcasm-utilizing cynic. (yeah, that was random, but you said sarcasm, so...)
I'm also a überdragon trapped in a human body, but don't tell anyone.

Lennalf?

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PostPosted: Fri 11 May 2012, 05:08 
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Lennalf?


You never know. :mrgreen:

(Or would saying that be heresy?)

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