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PostPosted: Sat 04 Aug 2012, 18:12 
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And it was my unrelated question…

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PostPosted: Sat 04 Aug 2012, 20:03 
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Shanhoia wrote:
*with the tidal bulge always in the same place, it seems like strong tidal forces would pull the planets into a weird egg-shape?

Technically speaking probably even the solid parts of the planets would be slightly prolate spheroids, though it might take some measuring and some technology for the inhabitants to prove that.
But the tidal bulge would mostly affect the oceans; and if you include the liquid part in the shape of the planet, they would be even more prolate, probably noticeably so even to earlier technologies.
If you include the atmosphere too, that would also be more prolate than just the solid and liquid part.

Or at least that's my guess.

The entire two-planet ensemble would rotate around their joint center-of-gravity in a time-period probably longer than an Earth-type day, and probably more comparable to an Earth-Moon lunar month. IMO that should be quite "inhabitable", since the polar zones on Earth have at times been quite well-inhabited, and they have six-month days and six-month nights.

The process by which the two planets become tide-locked to each other would slow each one's original independent rotation about its own axis, while moving the planets further out from each other. In other words, energy would get pulled out of the spinning of the individual planets, and moved instead into speeding up the linear speed of their orbits around their joint center-of-gravity, thus pushing each one up into a higher orbit relative to that joint c-of-g, in other words, moving them apart. (Their angular velocity would slow down, though.)

Inhabitants might find fossil evidence of life-forms that lived on the planets just before tide-lock; say, maybe, when one of the planets rotated twice on its own axis for each time the two planets revolved about their joint c-of-g. (Or not.)

After one of them is tide-locked, whichever of its sides faces its partner, will never or at least rarely have an entire day without at least a partial eclipse of its sun; at least in its equatorial and tropical regions, and maybe its temperate regions as well. This is bound to affect life. Finding evidence that at one point life there was adapted to having full sunlight for half-a-"month" every other "month" (or whatever the schedule would be like, it would take care and math to work it out), would prove that life evolved before the tide-lock was complete.

The fact that the planets would be oblateprolate rather than prolateoblate, with their long axes pointing directly toward and directly away from each other; together with the fact that they would be tide-locked; might make something like an "east pole" and a "west pole" more significant than a "south pole" and a "north pole". Though perhaps they would name them "eclipsed pole" and "high-noon pole" or something like that.

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PostPosted: Sun 05 Aug 2012, 00:42 
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@Milyamd: Sorry, I thought that might be a new question, but it was hard to tell from your wording. I don't know the answer to that one either.

@eldin raigmore: Awesome info! Thanks! Not fitting the scenario I'm currently working on, because there I really need an earthlike day, which I see now doesn't work with this tidelock thing at all well. But still full of shinyness. Pre-tidelock fossils especially.


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PostPosted: Sun 05 Aug 2012, 21:50 
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Shanhoia wrote:
@eldin raigmore: Awesome info! Thanks!

You're welcome! [:$] [:D]

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Not fitting the scenario I'm currently working on, because there I really need an earthlike day, which I see now doesn't work with this tidelock thing at all well.

FYI the real-world Earth-prime would, it is said, have a 5-hour day if not for the little tidelocking orbital dance it anciently did with the Moon. They say that at first the Earth had a 5-hour day and the moon was very close. Tidal mechanics slowed the rotation of both Earth and Moon until Earth had a 24-hour day and the moon was tidelocked; it also pushed the moon and earth apart until the Moon took a month to orbit the Earth.
Obviously it would be better if I could link you to a citation; but I can't remember where I saw that. I think it is the best-accepted speculation at present, but AFAIK it's still only a particularly-well-educated guess.

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PostPosted: Wed 15 Aug 2012, 19:32 
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I have a primary idea of cat tribes and human tribes forming a symbiosis. The cats are more inteligent than normal house cats bu the body shape is similar, so they are not capable to use most tools and that kind of stuff.
So, if the humans give the cats what humans with cats normally give (food, warmth..), what would the cats give to the humans? An inteligent species cannot be just pets. All that comes to my mind is religious reasons (doesn't sound good), and rat problem (worse). Ideas?


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PostPosted: Wed 15 Aug 2012, 19:58 
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Omzinesý wrote:
I have a primary idea of cat tribes and human tribes forming a symbiosis. The cats are more inteligent than normal house cats bu the body shape is similar, so they are not capable to use most tools and that kind of stuff.
So, if the humans give the cats what humans with cats normally give (food, warmth..), what would the cats give to the humans? An inteligent species cannot be just pets. All that comes to my mind is religious reasons (doesn't sound good), and rat problem (worse). Ideas?


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PostPosted: Wed 15 Aug 2012, 21:39 
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CrazyEttin wrote:
Omzinesý wrote:
I have a primary idea of cat tribes and human tribes forming a symbiosis. The cats are more inteligent than normal house cats bu the body shape is similar, so they are not capable to use most tools and that kind of stuff.
So, if the humans give the cats what humans with cats normally give (food, warmth..), what would the cats give to the humans? An inteligent species cannot be just pets. All that comes to my mind is religious reasons (doesn't sound good), and rat problem (worse). Ideas?


Cat overlords ruling over human working class!


Nope, a symbiosis. The cats are seemingly weaker, but they should be somehow important.


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PostPosted: Wed 15 Aug 2012, 23:27 
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Omzinesý wrote:
CrazyEttin wrote:
Omzinesý wrote:
I have a primary idea of cat tribes and human tribes forming a symbiosis. The cats are more inteligent than normal house cats bu the body shape is similar, so they are not capable to use most tools and that kind of stuff.
So, if the humans give the cats what humans with cats normally give (food, warmth..), what would the cats give to the humans? An inteligent species cannot be just pets. All that comes to my mind is religious reasons (doesn't sound good), and rat problem (worse). Ideas?


Cat overlords ruling over human working class!


Nope, a symbiosis. The cats are seemingly weaker, but they should be somehow important.


But it is a symbiosis! Humans benefit from the stability, prosperity and technological advancement by the cats, and cats benefit from the human work force.

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PostPosted: Wed 15 Aug 2012, 23:57 
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Omzinesý wrote:
I have a primary idea of cat tribes and human tribes forming a symbiosis. The cats are more inteligent than normal house cats bu the body shape is similar, so they are not capable to use most tools and that kind of stuff.
So, if the humans give the cats what humans with cats normally give (food, warmth..), what would the cats give to the humans? An inteligent species cannot be just pets. All that comes to my mind is religious reasons (doesn't sound good), and rat problem (worse). Ideas?


and how does the first half of that paragraph sound good? you said an intelligent species cannot be just pets - yet that's the human half of the equation.

well, there's protection....(humans keep away the "dogs" and "bears" and "cobras" that would otherwise prey upon the "cats")

and there's feeding....(humans introduce crops which the prey of the "cats" feeds on & multiplies in population)


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PostPosted: Sun 19 Aug 2012, 06:48 
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I know this must be somewhere, but in searches I cant find it: What does AMA stand for?


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PostPosted: Sun 19 Aug 2012, 07:04 
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Ask Me About, I believe.

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PostPosted: Sun 19 Aug 2012, 11:47 
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Hacek wrote:
Ask Me About, I believe.


Ask Me Anything, i think.

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PostPosted: Sun 19 Aug 2012, 19:41 
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M. Park wrote:
I know this must be somewhere, but in searches I cant find it: What does AMA stand for?

Originally it was "Ask Me Anything";
but it was usually used in a phrase such as "AMA about ...",
so it's come to mean "Ask Me Anything about".
FAIK that abbreviation was Invented Here.
Maybe it wasn't (it seems likely to have been invented elsewhere), but Here is the only place I've ever seen it.
(The first poster to use it referenced the ZBB).

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PostPosted: Mon 20 Aug 2012, 18:30 
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M. Park wrote:
I know this must be somewhere, but in searches I cant find it: What does AMA stand for?

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PostPosted: Mon 20 Aug 2012, 18:41 
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Okay, so what's the name for the thread which has all the CBBer's nicknames conveniently spelled phonetically?

(You did say "ask me anything" )


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PostPosted: Mon 20 Aug 2012, 18:45 
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[o.O] Don't be obtuse.

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PostPosted: Mon 20 Aug 2012, 18:58 
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I can just hear David Tomlinson quipping that at me.
Were you channelling him?
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PostPosted: Mon 20 Aug 2012, 19:04 
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Okay, so what's the name for the thread which has all the CBBer's nicknames conveniently spelled phonetically?

(You did say "ask me anything" )

This?

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PostPosted: Mon 20 Aug 2012, 20:41 
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Indeed, that [;)]


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PostPosted: Fri 24 Aug 2012, 00:03 
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Are there any cultures in real life who have never really held misogynistic beliefs and were basically egalitarian? It seems that nearly cultures no matter where they were from are/were misogynistic/sexist.

Anyway, I'm asking this because I'm making a conculture who has always been egalitarian but has a deep history of racism/ethnocentrism to make up for it.

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