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 Post subject: Re: names
PostPosted: Sun 29 Apr 2012, 06:33 
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zelos wrote:
In Star Trek enterprise they had a species that gained additional names as they aged so by the time they were senior it took ages to pronounce all names. Any oddities like this in anyone elses?


My draconic cultures do this, but rather than be strictly based upon age it's instead dependent on certain "life-milestones" including, but not limited to:

Birth (so all dragons get at least one name)
First marriage
Second marriage (females only)
Birth of first child (females only)
Birth of sister's first child (females only)
Entering a formal apprenticeship
Graduating from said apprenticeship to a full-fledged master
Achieving a formal rank within the clan's leadership (more than one possible)


The contexts of which name you're supposed to use are complex, but you never use all of them at once.

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 Post subject: Re: names
PostPosted: Thu 03 May 2012, 17:45 
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Traditional Paz names have a first name (given, and like most euro-langs, formed from words that longer have meaning), a last name (which is also generally without semantic meaning). When the child becomes an adult (21 years old), they choose a Middle name and a Title. The Middle name is formed from two real Pazmat words, so they're things like "Lancehearted". The title generally is "The X's Y"

Use of middle name and title is ONLY supposed to be used when you're being honored (using them to refer to yourself is considered almost comically narcissistic). They're falling out of use today.

One example would be the war hero Qiqan, who's full name literally translates to "Qiqan 'Demon's-bane' Recjidasz The Immortal Onslaught"

Today, they're considered too flashy to normally use. Some people want to have the government honor people with titles, rather than let people make their own. Over 40% of Paz 21-30 years old don't have a title.

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 Post subject: Re: names
PostPosted: Thu 03 May 2012, 18:53 
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In several nomadic Kaynur tribes, individuals are named after natural phenomena with either a diminutive or augmentative affix. Surnames are not popular in less-populated areas, so most just have one given name.
Settlement Kaynur, on the other hand, use a good bit of fossilized names along with living ones. Kaynur have two surnames if any at all: a patronym and a matronym. Surnames are used when referring to someone whom you don't see at the moment. According to tradition, a surname is not supposed to be used if the parent dies.
Extra: Kaynur tradition dictates that dead people should never be mentioned after they die, which also means their names. In the aforementioned rural tribes, since most people are named after common nouns, some nouns go out of fashion. Usually new nouns for the word are rederived, or maybe a syllable would be changed from the original word.

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 Post subject: Re: names
PostPosted: Thu 03 May 2012, 19:51 
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Micamo wrote:
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First marriage
Second marriage (females only)
Birth of first child (females only)
Birth of sister's first child (females only)
Entering a formal apprenticeship
Graduating from said apprenticeship to a full-fledged master
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These events wouldn't necessarily occur in this sequence, would they?

First marriage would have to precede second marriage;
Entering apprenticeship would have to precede graduation;
but otherwise the events could occur in any order, couldn't they?

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Micamo wrote:
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Birth of sister's first child (females only)
...

Which sister?
Only oldest sister?
Only first sister to give birth?
Each sister, so you might get as many names as you have sisters?
What if you yourself are younger than your oldest sister's oldest child?
Or, at any rate your oldest sisterschild (oldest niece or oldest nephew)?

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 Post subject: Re: names
PostPosted: Thu 03 May 2012, 21:13 
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Hvattiqs don't use last names, but they do use given first names. Each hvattiq has a given first name that's only to be used by good friends and family members. They also have a second name, used by people writing about them, people they don't know well--it's basically a formal name (sort of like ilw Japanese uses last names except for close friends/family).

All Hvattiq names are real words in the language. There are no fossilzed names.

When moving to other countries that require last names, many Hvattiqs create last names with "[their mother's/father's name]-ca (daughter)/co (son)". So those last names literally mean "Son/Daughter of X". This is a very pervasive stereotype of Hvattiq: in other Techarian countries, if you want to point out that someone is Hvattiq in a story, just give them a name that ends in "-ca/co", like "Sefica" or "Hvuuroco".

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 Post subject: Re: names
PostPosted: Thu 03 May 2012, 21:24 
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The Amjati normally have two names. The first is a given name chosen by their parents. The second is their father's name with either -on (for sons) and -mes (for daughters) added to the end.

When giving their full name an Amjat will generally also give their title/caste as well.
For higher status the title goes before the name but lower titles go after the name.

Ex:
Arek Vrinokon Alen
Korsal Mika Unikon

Additionally, if one is a land owner then the estate is often added after the father's name.

Eljek Jemar Premanon Tetrar

Color Key: Given name | Father's name | Title | Land

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 Post subject: Re: names
PostPosted: Thu 03 May 2012, 23:26 
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At the moment, the idea I have going for the Mex is that the parents choose a name for the child from Iriex's collection of noun stems and add a special suffix reserved for proper names, perhaps inflected for sex or order of birth or something.
They also have a tribal name (that of the patriarch) that is given first, before their personal name, and only used in inter-tribe meetings.
Finally, they have two 'surnames' that translate as "<child> of <mother>" and "<sibling> of <sibling>" for the purposes of disambiguation.

The only problem I have with this system is that I reckon the suffix would cause everything to sound far too similar.

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 Post subject: Re: names
PostPosted: Fri 04 May 2012, 04:25 
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eldin raigmore wrote:
These events wouldn't necessarily occur in this sequence, would they?

First marriage would have to precede second marriage;
Entering apprenticeship would have to precede graduation;
but otherwise the events could occur in any order, couldn't they?


They could, yes, though first marriage (or first sister's child) is usually what comes first, as first marriages generally occur before puberty.

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Which sister?
Only oldest sister?
Only first sister to give birth?
Each sister, so you might get as many names as you have sisters?
What if you yourself are younger than your oldest sister's oldest child?
Or, at any rate your oldest sisterschild (oldest niece or oldest nephew)?


Any sister. If a girl is born who already has a sister with children of her own, she is given that particular second name immediately. The salient factor is maternal aunt-hood, which has a special place in draconic family life. Sisters raise each other's children, with the maternal aunts taking a different role from the mother's part. Of course a girl who already had this title at birth wouldn't be expected to actually take those responsibilities until they were considered ready for them.

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 Post subject: Re: names
PostPosted: Sun 01 Jul 2012, 17:03 
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Forgive the long post.

The Kamawenõ name their children by first consulting one of their people gifted with precognition to discover some aspect of the child's future personality or history. (Asking a seer about the future in any other case, including for military purposes, is strictly forbidden.) They then give them a name based on what they see, and in doing so further encourage the child to follow the path that will lead them to that name in the future. (In formal speech, a person's name must be preceded by the honorific El. Also, the accents marking irregular stress and therefore modifiers are reversed, helping to distinguish them from modifiers that may refer to the person, but aren't a part of their name.)
They have family names, made of two halves, with one being their mother's female family name and the other being their father's male family name. If they are female, their mother's name goes first - if they are male, the opposite is true.
They also have a more commonly used 'nickname', which is formed through some jumble of syllables from their actual name. It is always far shorter, and always complete gibberish. For example:
El Rādovùlkamaòrdōzuskamākenomìk Korasa-Nans-Woranalbēàn - roughly "Female Child Who Can Be Compared To A Raven On Its First Flight, Of The Family Nance and Red Wing".
Nicknames would include Rāmik, Dovu, Rāvu, Romik, Rik, Rā, etc. None of these words mean anything.

Names in Genljøŋ are formed by a string of nouns and modifiers (it's agglutinative, so this is easy) followed by a male or female suffix. Examples (from How to Train Your Dragon - don't look at me like that):
Toothless: Jelïlum (Toothless)
Hiccup: Hiqag (Hiccup) [Hiqernum??] (to Hiccup)
Stoic: Bøümør (Steady)
Astrid: Östrid (Sun)
Fishlegs: Gatätølegar (Fishlegs)
Snotlout: Nøsøm (Nose)
Gobber: Qjiqernug (Spitting)
Tuffnut: Dagrag (Tough)
Ruffnut: Nagrad (Rough)

Names in HyPry are complicated. At birth or looming, one is given a name that is usually quite poetic and a little prophetic. At least one of the words in their name must be a noun. (Let's say C Roumonó Lùndor, 'Insulted Infinity'.)
At any point, their names may be condensed, in which the articles and any tonal information are removed. This can change the meaning of a name, but is a concise and informal way to refer to someone. (Roumonolundar, 'Insult Infinity'.)
When they are accepted into the House by the family, usually several weeks after birth, they add their House name into their own, and their birth name is confirmed in what is called the Nameday. (C Roumonó Cou Dvourœtre Lùndor, 'Insulted Infinity of Dvora'. Short form: Roumonodvourœtrelundor.) This is now their full, mature name, and is what they are called in most informal situations.
[One should note that the person whose name I'm using as an example here wasn't actually from the House of Dvora - they were from the House of Heartshaven - but after little-known and well-covered-up scandal in which the cousin whom she was intended to replace wasn't actually dead after all, her House exiled her from the family. One of the cousins in the House of Dvora suspected she would do great things, and since one of their other cousins had recently died with no one yet loomed to replace him, they gave her a second Nameday and, legally, changed her house. But I digress.]
At eight years old, when they enter the Academy, they gain the title of their Chapter, which is incorporated into their name.
As they grow and reach certain life milestones, their name becomes increasingly long, and is sometimes rearranged. I will again use Romana as an example.
After entering the Academy (Prydonian Chapter): C Roumonó Cou Dvourœtre Côû Proıdounıœtʃôû Lùndor
After first regeneration: C Roumonó Íétȷʃo Cou Dvourœtre Côû Proıdounıœtʃôû Lùndor
After reaching 600 years of age (by the Gallifreyan time scale): C Roumonó Íétȷʃo Cou Dvourœtre Côû Proıdounıœtʃôû Kîêm Lùndor
After second regeneration: C Roumonó Íédȷʒın Cou Dvourœtre Côû Proıdounıœtʃôû Kîêm Lùndor
[The regeneration count continues through all twelve regenerations, essentially 'deaths'... and beyond, if their cycle is renewed. We only see three of Romana's, however.]
After becoming Lady President of Gallifrey: C Lıeloug Roumonó Íédȷʒın Cou Dvourœtre Côû Proıdounıœtʃôû Kîêm Lùndor
After reaching 6000 years of age (by the Gallifreyan time scale): C Lıeloug Roumonó Íédȷʒın Cou Dvourœtre Côû Proıdounıœtʃôû Kǐět Lùndor

And so on and so fourth. Note that these lengthened names can still be shortened (Lıelougroumonoıedȷʒındvourœtreproıdounıœtʃoukıetlundor), but this is rare, and generally one would simply use the shortened form of one's original mature name (in this case, Roumonodvourœtrelundor. Or Romana. Or Fred.)

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 Post subject: Re: names
PostPosted: Sat 07 Jul 2012, 09:11 
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Every Zalacugnese usually bears two names, choosen indipendently by their parents.
Tradition has it that the mother and the father each choose seven different names, write them on a special kind of paper and put them in two urns.
Then seven days after the baby is born, two names are randomly extracted from the urns, and the baby takes these names.
It may happen that two identical names are choosen, in this case the baby takes the name Vaidu which can be translated more or less as "double", this is considered a sign of good luck, on the other hand it is considered really bad to "cheat" on this tradition, for example by writing the same name on all pieces of paper.

The names always have meanings, common name for males are adjectives like "strong", "brave", or nouns like "iron". For females "flower", "spring", "kindness" among many many others.

Omonimy (sp?) is relatively rare, and is usually disambiguated using the name of the father, the place where one is born, the guild one belongs to, or just a nickname, whichever is more convenient.

Official titles are given for the highest rank of any given guild (officially recognised guild) and is Autas. Other titles are used by the noblemen, but I have yet to think about it.

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