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PostPosted: Mon 14 Mar 2011, 02:47 
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двенадцать [dvʲɪˈnatsətʲ]...?

If I ever hear a [ɪ] in Russian, I will be more than surprised, frankly.

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PostPosted: Mon 14 Mar 2011, 02:56 
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Conlangconstructor, почему ты обращаешься на вы? Мне кажется, что это лишнее. Звучит както странно.
Conlangconstructor, why are you using вы? I think that you don't have to. Sounds strange.

Хаха))) Я не знаю Вас. Вы не знаете меня. вот почему

EDIT: Be surprised all you want. I've heard /ɪ/ in Russian. Maybe I'm just crazy, though.


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PostPosted: Mon 14 Mar 2011, 04:36 
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Whatever floats your boat, I suppose. You'll see that nobody refers to others as (В)ы on the 'Net. It sounds condescending and patronizing.

I disagree with Wikipedia. [ɪ] doesn't appear quite as often as Wikipedia says it does. In 50% of the examples it brought up [ɪ] is usually pronounced as the written vowel, even though it's unstressed.

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PostPosted: Mon 14 Mar 2011, 05:57 
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Pirka wrote:
If I ever hear a [ɪ] in Russian, I will be more than surprised, frankly.

Pirka wrote:
I disagree with Wikipedia. [ɪ] doesn't appear quite as often as Wikipedia says it does. In 50% of the examples it brought up [ɪ] is usually pronounced as the written vowel, even though it's unstressed.


Теперь /ɪ/ есть?!))
Многие критикуют Википедию...а /ɪ/ — аллофон /i/. /ɪ/ есть.
Как Вы произносите "язык"? /jɪˈzɨk/? "четверг"? /tɕɪtˈvʲɛrk/?

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PostPosted: Mon 14 Mar 2011, 06:05 
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Я забыл сказать, что я понял, что [ɪ] все-таки существует, только не так часто, как в Вики пишут.
I forgot to say that I understood that [ɪ] does exist indeed, just not as often as Wikipedia says.

Я, мои родители, родственники, друзья, знакомые, мы все произносим «язык» - [jeˈzɨk], a «четверг» - [tɕеtˈvʲеrg]. Это как-то удивительно?
My parents, I, relatives, friends, acquaintances -- we all say [jeˈzɨk] and [tɕеtˈvʲеrg]. Is that somehow surprising?

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PostPosted: Mon 14 Mar 2011, 06:45 
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Я удивлен, что вы произносите четверг - [tɕetˈvʲerg], а диалекты разные. Я только слышал среднерусские говоры.

[ɪ] есть. Я не помешаюсь. Я счастливый)))


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PostPosted: Mon 14 Mar 2011, 07:03 
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А восточные говоры? Москва? Петербург? Сальск? Ты пропустил самую главную часть России! :-D

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[ɪ] есть. Я не помешаюсь. Я счастливый)))


...не понял

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PostPosted: Mon 14 Mar 2011, 08:29 
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А восточные говоры? Москва? Петербург? Сальск? Ты пропустил самую главную часть России! :-D

Северное наречне

Среднерусские говоры:
-Западные среднерусские говоры
-Восточные среднерусские говоры

Южное наречие


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[ɪ] есть. Я не помешаюсь. Я счастливый)))


...не понял


I tried saying: [ɪ] exists. I'm not going crazy. I'm pleased (smiles)


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PostPosted: Mon 14 Mar 2011, 09:50 
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I think I need to learn a bit more Russian.

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PostPosted: Mon 14 Mar 2011, 10:13 
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conlangconstructor wrote:
Pirka wrote:
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[ɪ] есть. Я не помешаюсь. Я счастливый)))


...не понял


I tried saying: [ɪ] exists. I'm not going crazy. I'm pleased (smiles)


Oh, for that, we have a nifty idiomatic expression: сходить с ума. It translates as to "go off one's mind." So we have then:

[ɪ] (все-таки) существует. Я не схожу с ума. Я счастлив ))

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I think I need to learn a bit more Russian.

Это было бы классно! :D

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PostPosted: Mon 14 Mar 2011, 19:21 
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Это было бы классно! :D

*Attempt to translate*
That would have been cool.
Or, applying logic- that would be cool.

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PostPosted: Mon 14 Mar 2011, 21:25 
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Pirka wrote:
Oh, for that, we have a nifty idiomatic expression: сходить с ума. It translates as to "go off one's mind." So we have then:

[ɪ] (все-таки) существует. Я не схожу с ума. Я счастлив ))


Ах! Круто! Я очень благодарен. Я не схожу с ума)))


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PostPosted: Tue 15 Mar 2011, 04:12 
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Ax doesn't correpond to English oh. It's a gasp of surprise and it sounds frankly kind of awkward, as if you are a dainty lady trying to express her appreciation of whatever is being talked about. And now that I think about it, except in certain cases, only women use ax. For an "oh" sense, you should just take of the x and get something nearly homophonous to "ah".

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PostPosted: Tue 15 Mar 2011, 05:52 
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замечательно! спасибо


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PostPosted: Tue 22 Mar 2011, 21:07 
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Мы дожен гоборить, но не разговорить.
(We should talk, but not talk (and finish))

My newly learnt skill of the perfective aspect is great.

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PostPosted: Wed 23 Mar 2011, 03:43 
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Unfortunately, the perfective-imperfective thing does not work as you think it would. разговáривать and говорить mean exactly the same thing when referring to a conversation (мы разговаривали = мы говорили), but говорить can be also used to be the imperfective of сказать (он говорил какие-то слова (he was saying some sort of words) =/= он сказал какие-то слова (he said some sort of words) ). разговáривать has no imperfective. говорить in the sense of a conversation has the perfective form of договорить. Thus your sentence would be better rendered as:

(If you want to use the договорить infinitive; note the bolded expression) Нам нужно разговаривать, но не договорить.
(If you want to use the imperfective infinitive for договорить, договаривать; note the bolded expression) Мы должны разговаривать, но не договаривать.

I'm so sorry you have to deal with this language :-|

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PostPosted: Wed 23 Mar 2011, 09:10 
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Pirka wrote:
I'm so sorry you have to deal with this language :-|

I don't care about the difficulty. I'm just learning it because it sounds great!

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PostPosted: Tue 19 Apr 2011, 09:54 
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Почему мы не говорем по-русски? Мы убем он!

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Apr 2011, 13:43 
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One thing I'm curious about, what's with Russians and the repetition of closing brackets after sentences/words sometimes...?


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PostPosted: Wed 20 Apr 2011, 20:22 
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teh_Foxx0rz wrote:
One thing I'm curious about, what's with Russians and the repetition of closing brackets after sentences/words sometimes...?

If you mean these- «» - they're quotation marks.

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