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 Post subject: Latin Americans
PostPosted: Fri 10 Aug 2012, 16:35 
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is there another fellow Latin American here?
also, I'm interested in knowing if there are condoers [conlangers, conworlders] from neither europe nor america, like Africa... I don't think I've heard of an african conlanger/conworlder other than Tolkien


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 Post subject: Re: Latin Americans
PostPosted: Fri 10 Aug 2012, 16:39 
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There is a tribe from Australia that made the first conlang, which also happens to be the first conlang turned into natlang and the only natlang outside Africa with click sounds.


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 Post subject: Re: Latin Americans
PostPosted: Fri 10 Aug 2012, 18:50 
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really? like they decided to make a language for a specific purpose? that's cool.
not especially relevant xD, but cool


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 Post subject: Re: Latin Americans
PostPosted: Fri 10 Aug 2012, 19:12 
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Torco wrote:
really? like they decided to make a language for a specific purpose? that's cool.
not especially relevant xD, but cool


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damin


Anyhow, though I was born in America, I'm Asian. Vietnamese, to be precise. In fact, despite the fact I was born in an English-speaking country, I only properly learned English when I started Kindergarten, so my English is occasionally off (for instance, I can't pronounce dental fricatives for my life). And I'm a conworlder. So I qualify as a conworlder from neither Europe nor America. Sort of.

One thing I do wonder about is whether my Asian-ness has had any influence on my conworlding/conlanging, and if so, what differences it made compared to stuff made by white conworlders/conlangers. Or other non-white and non-Asian conworlders/conlangers.

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 Post subject: Re: Latin Americans
PostPosted: Fri 10 Aug 2012, 21:08 
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I don't think so... in my own experience, conworlding shows more one's own biographical features, so I presume class, personality, SES, education, politics and familial history will be more determining than whether or not you're 'asian'. Vietnameseness will surely show, though. I haven't got enough conworld in my head to throw that as a sure thing, tho, and in that mental spreadsheet the nationality of the creator tends to go amiss, and if someone points out my conworld is especially latin-american, I'd not be surprised.

maybe americans and europeans [the two biggest groups] do show some differences, tho, perhaps europeans have more realistic conworlds? tho that might be the quality of basic education each recieves... i dunno

really? no one ever heard of an african conworlder?


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 Post subject: Re: Latin Americans
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Torco wrote:
I don't think so... in my own experience, conworlding shows more one's own biographical features, so I presume class, personality, SES, education, politics and familial history will be more determining than whether or not you're 'asian'. Vietnameseness will surely show, though. I haven't got enough conworld in my head to throw that as a sure thing, tho, and in that mental spreadsheet the nationality of the creator tends to go amiss, and if someone points out my conworld is especially latin-american, I'd not be surprised.

maybe americans and europeans [the two biggest groups] do show some differences, tho, perhaps europeans have more realistic conworlds? tho that might be the quality of basic education each recieves... i dunno


True; I didn't mean to imply my Asian-ness was the be-all-end-all influence, but I surely think it has made its dent here and there. Perhaps the most obvious influence I can think of, although a somewhat superficial one, is that in my conworld white people aren't the "default" race, as they would be in a number of conworlds (mostly those in the mass media, though, admittedly) - rather, in my conworld, the defaults would be white and asian people, perhaps the latter a tad more so.

However, come to think of it, my religious beliefs (Buddhist) - though very tamed and close to agnostic - have made an impact, though, again, not that deep. Reincarnation exists - well, rather, it is definite -, and the religion of my foscus conculture bears great similarities to some forms of Buddhism.

The reason I suspected this a while back was because I noticed some differences between fantasy made in Asia compared to fantasy made in the West. From what I figured, fantasy in Asia is more so a re-imagining of Western culture (sort of like what Hollywood does with ninjas and China-Japan-same-thing and martial arts) so it often has a... I wouldn't say idealistic, but more of an idealized feel to it, while fantasy in the West is... I dunno, not more realistic, but it doesn't carry, in my opinion, the same "ooh-let's-imagine-what-awesome-white-or-ambiguously-in-between-white-and-asian-people-are-like" vibe I get from Asian fantasy. I thought perhaps my conworlds had a bit of that in, somewhere.

Although I suppose on the whole you're probably right; I think the strongest influences on my conworld have been my "biographical features".


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really? no one ever heard of an african conworlder?


Nope. Or, heck, I've never heard of a fantasy story written by an African for that matter, although I would find it interesting. For instance, how would they deal with the white-people-default-race syndrome in most fantasy? Black elves, maybe - now that would be really interesting.

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 Post subject: Re: Latin Americans
PostPosted: Fri 10 Aug 2012, 21:44 
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The reason I suspected this a while back was because I noticed some differences between fantasy made in Asia compared to fantasy made in the West. From what I figured, fantasy in Asia is more so a re-imagining of Western culture (sort of like what Hollywood does with ninjas and China-Japan-same-thing and martial arts) so it often has a... I wouldn't say idealistic, but more of an idealized feel to it, while fantasy in the West is... I dunno, not more realistic, but it doesn't carry, in my opinion, the same "ooh-let's-imagine-what-awesome-white-or-ambiguously-in-between-white-and-asian-people-are-like" vibe I get from Asian fantasy. I thought perhaps my conworlds had a bit of that in, somewhere.

you're quite right, I hadn't noticed that particular trait of asian fantasy, but that's a very keen analysis, I like it. I shall steal it mawahahahahaha

also, black elves has been done puhlenty


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 Post subject: Re: Latin Americans
PostPosted: Sat 11 Aug 2012, 01:50 
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Torco wrote:
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The reason I suspected this a while back was because I noticed some differences between fantasy made in Asia compared to fantasy made in the West. From what I figured, fantasy in Asia is more so a re-imagining of Western culture (sort of like what Hollywood does with ninjas and China-Japan-same-thing and martial arts) so it often has a... I wouldn't say idealistic, but more of an idealized feel to it, while fantasy in the West is... I dunno, not more realistic, but it doesn't carry, in my opinion, the same "ooh-let's-imagine-what-awesome-white-or-ambiguously-in-between-white-and-asian-people-are-like" vibe I get from Asian fantasy. I thought perhaps my conworlds had a bit of that in, somewhere.

you're quite right, I hadn't noticed that particular trait of asian fantasy, but that's a very keen analysis, I like it. I shall steal it mawahahahahaha


Steal it for a sociological research project or something? [o.O]

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also, black elves has been done puhlenty


Really? Guess I've just been unlucky.

What about black dwarves? Or Hispanic elves or something?

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 Post subject: Re: Latin Americans
PostPosted: Sat 11 Aug 2012, 08:25 
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Hispanic elves? they'd only make any sense in like shadowrun, no? I mean, having black skin is somethig that should happen to alternatively evolved [or seeded and re-evolved] humans, melanin and all that. Being from a country that was invaded by spain not so much


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 Post subject: Re: Latin Americans
PostPosted: Sat 11 Aug 2012, 08:31 
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Torco wrote:
Hispanic elves? they'd only make any sense in like shadowrun, no? I mean, having black skin is somethig that should happen to alternatively evolved [or seeded and re-evolved] humans, melanin and all that. Being from a country that was invaded by spain not so much


Amerindian elves? (I spelled that right, right...?)

And Asian elves... well, that's been done enough.

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