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PostPosted: Wed 01 Aug 2012, 12:23 
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You should acquaint yourself with the House Rules, then. Specifically, the point where they forbid trolling.

Do you really think that the rules alone will deter trolling? "Good citizens" abide subconsciously, others don't care until they're punished, and even that doesn't give you any guarantee.

Smart people might also abide in order not to be punished in the first place... And yes, punishing people does give us a kind of guarantee, in that breaking the rules tends to become a bit more difficult once you've been banned. [:P] (Yes, I know there are ways to work around that - but there are also ways to combat such workarounds as well. And really, if you've got nothing better to do than to try to break through the security on a small marginal internet discussion board to troll on it, I think you should stop to think hard and evaluate your life*.)


*) At your own risk. The CBB shall not be held responsible for any resulting suicides (no matter how much we might like to take credit for improving the human gene pool).

EDIT: Since there has apparently been some confusion, I'll note that the "you" above is a generic you. I thought it would've been obvious enough, since I was reasonably sure no member has actually been in the hypothetical situation described. Now, if I was wrong, and we truly have a member who's contemplated suicide upon realizing that they have no other purpose in life than to keep attempting to break onto this forum to troll, then I apologize. That was an unnecessarily harsh joke to make. Still, I maintain that you seriously need help.

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Criminals will always have a way in which they can access weapons which can then be used to injure and kill me, you and generally any other member of society. In the UK we have gun regulation laws which prevent any member of society from buying guns, this does not, however, deter criminals from buying and using them.

Career criminals, that is. For individual crazy people - who are much more likely to shoot you for a) breaking up with them b) belonging to the wrong political party or c) no reason at all, anyway - it might make it considerably more difficult.

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We, the public, are only allowed to use 'reasonable force' when we are threatened, this is in reality flawed, what could an 80 year old couple actually do to prevent themselves becoming victims? In addition, a person under an adrenaline rush would not think straight enough, their natural survival instincts would come into play. Now, you could try to overpower the armed intruders, but you could be seriously injured or killed. So owning a gun would but you at a huge vantage point when it comes to surviving.

How much chance do you really think an eighty-year-old under an adrenaline rush and unable to think straight would have against an experienced cold-blooded criminal anyway? If anything, I'd suspect the criminal would be more likely to shoot an eighty-year-old with a gun (since he's clearly dangerous) than one without (since he's much less so, and killing him doesn't really serve much purpose in that situation).

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PostPosted: Wed 01 Aug 2012, 17:19 
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Xonen wrote:
Smart people might also abide in order not to be punished in the first place... And yes, punishing people does give us a kind of guarantee, in that breaking the rules tends to become a bit more difficult once you've been banned. [:P] (Yes, I know there are ways to work around that - but there are also ways to combat such workarounds as well. And really, if you've got nothing better to do than to try to break through the security on a small marginal internet discussion board to troll on it, I think you should stop to think hard and evaluate your life*.)


*) At your own risk. The CBB shall not be held responsible for any resulting suicides (no matter how much we might like to take credit for improving the human gene pool).

EDIT: Since there has apparently been some confusion, I'll note that the "you" in the paragraph above is a generic you. I thought it would've been obvious enough, since I was reasonably sure no member has actually been in the hypothetical situation described. Now, if I was wrong, and we truly have a member who's contemplated suicide upon realizing that they have no other purpose in life than to keep attempting to break onto this forum to troll, then I apologize. That was an unnecessarily harsh joke to make. Still, I maintain that you seriously need help.
Seriously, you should read the rules yourself. You're just being rude and silly now.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Discussion
PostPosted: Wed 01 Aug 2012, 17:29 
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Fanael, please stop reporting the same post. Since you're so familiar with the rules you'll know about "No spamming" and "No trolling."

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Discussion
PostPosted: Wed 01 Aug 2012, 17:31 
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Fanael wrote:
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Smart people might also abide in order not to be punished in the first place... And yes, punishing people does give us a kind of guarantee, in that breaking the rules tends to become a bit more difficult once you've been banned. [:P] (Yes, I know there are ways to work around that - but there are also ways to combat such workarounds as well. And really, if you've got nothing better to do than to try to break through the security on a small marginal internet discussion board to troll on it, I think you should stop to think hard and evaluate your life*.)


*) At your own risk. The CBB shall not be held responsible for any resulting suicides (no matter how much we might like to take credit for improving the human gene pool).

EDIT: Since there has apparently been some confusion, I'll note that the "you" in the paragraph above is a generic you. I thought it would've been obvious enough, since I was reasonably sure no member has actually been in the hypothetical situation described. Now, if I was wrong, and we truly have a member who's contemplated suicide upon realizing that they have no other purpose in life than to keep attempting to break onto this forum to troll, then I apologize. That was an unnecessarily harsh joke to make. Still, I maintain that you seriously need help.
Seriously, you should read the rules yourself. You're just being rude and silly now.

If I'm being rude, that's towards a purely hypothetical person - who, I might add, has pretty much brought it on themselves. I'm trying to make a point. Yeah, perhaps a joke about suicide isn't the best possible taste in this context, and I'm starting to regret making it - but considering that you're the one who started making jokes about innocent people (and much less obviously just purely hypothetical ones) getting killed and generally trolling in a thread on a pretty serious subject, I don't really see how you consider yourself to be in any position to talk.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Discussion
PostPosted: Wed 01 Aug 2012, 17:33 
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Fanael, please stop reporting the same post. Since you're so familiar with the rules you'll know about "No spamming" and "No trolling."
I think neither applies here. It's not spamming, since I reported it the second time only because of an edit that made the post worse, and it's not trolling, because I honestly do think the post is offensive.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Discussion
PostPosted: Wed 01 Aug 2012, 17:35 
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Ossicone wrote:
Fanael, please stop reporting the same post. Since you're so familiar with the rules you'll know about "No spamming" and "No trolling."

To be fair, I did edit the post between the reports. And you'll have to hand it to the guy, proudly declaring yourself to be trolling and then immediately reporting a mod - twice - for dissing trolls (without even explaining what exactly he considers so offensive in the post) takes some serious chutzpah.

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PostPosted: Wed 01 Aug 2012, 17:40 
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Xonen wrote:
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Fanael, please stop reporting the same post. Since you're so familiar with the rules you'll know about "No spamming" and "No trolling."

To be fair, I did edit the post between the reports. And you'll have to hand it to the guy, proudly declaring yourself to be trolling and then immediately reporting a mod - twice - for dissing trolls (without even explaining what exactly he considers so offensive in the post) takes some serious chutzpah.

The fact that he never mentioned any edits or which sections were offensive just show that his reports fall under the category of trolling. As such, he should be told his actions are unwanted. That way he knows (just in case he didn't before) that he should not continue.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Discussion
PostPosted: Wed 01 Aug 2012, 17:44 
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Xonen wrote:
If I'm being rude, that's towards a purely hypothetical person
I doubt that's the case:
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Still, I maintain that you seriously need help.

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I don't really see how you consider yourself to be in any position to talk.
So ban me or something, then obviously I'll be unable to bother you with talking. Because obviously I'm the root of all evil.

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The fact that he never mentioned any edits or which sections were offensive just show that his reports fall under the category of trolling.
I quoted the section which I found offensive in one of the posts above (granted, I didn't do that in the report – but I thought it's quite obvious). Of course, you may disagree whether it's offensive, but if you do, you shouldn't call that trolling.

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PostPosted: Wed 01 Aug 2012, 17:49 
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Fanael wrote:
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If I'm being rude, that's towards a purely hypothetical person
I doubt that's the case:
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Still, I maintain that you seriously need help.

Indeed, the same hypothetical "you" that I've been talking about the whole preceding paragraph there. :roll: Context is important.

Unless you actually fit that description personally - in which case I'm truly sorry, but then that's just my honest opinion. I'm not saying that to offend you, but if that really is the case, you do need help.

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PostPosted: Wed 01 Aug 2012, 17:52 
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Unless you actually fit that description personally - in which case I'm truly sorry, but then that's just my honest opinion. I'm not saying that to offend you, but if that really is the case, you do need help.
And you're still doing it. Just great.

Where can I request a ban? Because I don't feel I could ever become a part of the community if a mod is trying to offend me, and attempt to make them stop are in vain.

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PostPosted: Wed 01 Aug 2012, 17:55 
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Fanael wrote:
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Unless you actually fit that description personally - in which case I'm truly sorry, but then that's just my honest opinion. I'm not saying that to offend you, but if that really is the case, you do need help.
And you're still doing it. Just great.

Where can I request a ban? Because I don't feel I could ever become a part of the community if a mod is trying to offend me, and attempt to make them stop are in vain.

You can just leave, of course. But I'm not really trying to offend you; I really don't understand what the problem is here. Are you actually saying you've contemplated suicide because you can't help yourself with your compulsion to troll on internet boards? EDIT: Still not saying you've actually done this, of course. To be completely honest, I don't think you have a compulsion to troll, nor that you've contemplated suicide over it. But that's the hypothetical situation we're talking about here. I'm puzzled as to why you keep being so offended about stuff I'm saying to this imaginary person, unless you actually fit their description. EDIT2: And please, try answer without immediately assuming that I'm trying to offend you. I just really don't understand what's going on here.

In any case, it's just my honest opinion that anyone who's seriously contemplating suicide - for whatever reason - should get help. I should know, having been in that situation myself. (Actually, I'm not sure if I was ever that serious about it - but I still certainly needed help.)

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PostPosted: Wed 01 Aug 2012, 18:09 
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And please, try answer without immediately assuming that I'm trying to offend you.
I won't answer here, because somebody could call it trolling. If you want an explanation, PM me.

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PostPosted: Wed 01 Aug 2012, 18:33 
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Fanael wrote:
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And please, try answer without immediately assuming that I'm trying to offend you.
I won't answer here, because somebody could call it trolling. If you want an explanation, PM me.

I think we've been talking past each other badly enough already, and I'm not sure if continuing this discussion would make things better or worse... If you want to post an explanation, feel free to PM me, but for my part, I'd be ready to just leave it at this and bury the hatchet for now. In any case, I think it's probably a good idea not to continue this discussion here, especially since it's badly derailing the thread.

For whatever offense I've caused, I sincerely apologize. As I admitted, the original joke I made was perhaps not in the best possible taste, but I emphasize that it was not aimed directly at any existing member. Sorry if it appeared otherwise.

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