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I think it's reasonable to guess that in every culture since modern humans first arose, men's facial hair and chest hair and even back hair, has been longer than women's.

I certainly hope so. [xP]

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eldin raigmore
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Why do you suppose
so many TV detective and police shows are set in New York and Los Angeles,
and so few are set in Chicago, Houston, Philadelphia, Phoenix, San Antonio, San Diego, and Dallas?

Granted, NY and LA are the two most populous cities in the USA;
but the other seven are the third through the ninth most populous, and they have from 1.2 million to 2.7 million inhabitants each.

And, what about Orange County California or Miami-Dade County Florida? They're the 6th and 8th most populous counties in the USA, and Kings County New York (Brooklyn) and Queens County New York (Queens) are only 7th and 10th, respectively. (New York County (Manhattan) is only 20th.)

Why aren't more British shows set in Birmingham England, Glasgow Scotland, Liverpool England, or Leeds England? Or Sheffield, Edinburgh, Bristol, Manchester, or Leicester?

Outside of England and Scotland, why are so few British shows set in Cardiff, Belfast, Swansea, or Newport?

Considering urban areas instead of cities: Why not the Tyneside Urban Area, or the Nottingham Urban Area?

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Why do you suppose
so many TV detective and police shows are set in New York and Los Angeles,
and so few are set in Chicago

Because Harry Dresden keeps Chicago pretty well cleaned up

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I guess my main questions are:
Is there a cultural prejudice that TV shows, or at least police-detective-drama-series, need to be set on one's own continent?
Or in a city that speaks one's own language?
Or, even, in one's own nation-state?

I guess this isn't a "Quick" question anymore, or at least not if you want to read what's in the "spoiler" below.

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eldin raigmore wrote:
Why do you suppose
so many TV detective and police shows are set in New York and Los Angeles,
and so few are set in Chicago
Because Harry Dresden keeps Chicago pretty well cleaned up

Then how about
1 Tōkyō Tokyo Japan 34,400,000 incl. Yokohama, Kawasaki, Saitama
2 Guangzhou Canton China 25,600,000 Northern Pearl River Delta incl. Dongguan, Foshan, Jiangmen, Zhongshan
3 Seoul Seoul Korea (South) 25,300,000 incl. Bucheon, Goyang, Incheon, Seongnam, Suweon
4 Shanghai Shanghai China 25,100,000 incl. Suzhou
5 Ciudad de México Mexico City Mexico 23,100,000 incl. Nezahualcóyotl, Ecatepec, Naucalpan
6 Delhi Delhi India 22,900,000 incl. Faridabad, Ghaziabad, Gurgaon
7 New York New York United States of America 22,000,000 incl. Newark, Paterson
8 São Paulo São Paulo Brazil 21,000,000 incl. Guarulhos
9 Mumbai Bombay India 20,700,000 incl. Bhiwandi, Kalyan, Thane, Ulhasnagar, Vasai-Virar
10 Manila Manila Philippines 20,500,000 incl. Kalookan, Quezon City
11 Jakarta Jakarta Indonesia 18,800,000 incl. Bekasi, Bogor, Depok, Tangerang, Tangerang Selatan
12 Los Angeles Los Angeles United States of America 18,100,000 incl. Riverside, Anaheim
13 Karāchi Karachi Pakistan 17,200,000
14 Ōsaka Osaka Japan 16,800,000 incl. Kobe, Kyoto
15 Beijing Beijing China 16,300,000
16 Moskva Moscow Russia 16,100,000
17 Al-Qāhirah Cairo Egypt 15,600,000 incl. Al-Jizah, Hulwan, Shubra al-Khaymah
17 Kolkata Calcutta India 15,600,000 incl. Haora
19 Buenos Aires Buenos Aires Argentina 14,200,000 incl. San Justo, La Plata
20 Dhaka Dacca Bangladesh 13,900,000
21 Krung Thep Bangkok Thailand 13,700,000
22 Tehrān Tehran Iran 13,400,000 incl. Karaj
23 İstanbul Istanbul Turkey 13,300,000
24 Rio de Janeiro Rio de Janeiro Brazil 12,700,000 incl. Nova Iguaçu, São Gonçalo
25 London London Great Britain 12,600,000
26 Lagos Lagos Nigeria 12,500,000
27 Paris Paris France 10,600,000



Why don't we have any set in Mexico City? It's big, and on the North American continent.

What about Manila? It's in a country closely allied to the U.S.

What about Toronto, or Montreal, or Vancouver?
Or Ottawa-Gatineau, or Calgary, or Edmonton?
Those are big, English-speaking (well, sort of; Montreal and Gatineau are more French-speaking, I guess), and North American.

What about Santo Domingo (Dominican Republic), Havana (Cuba), or Ecatepec de Morelos (Mexico)? Those are all among the 10 biggest North American cities. And they all have over a million people (1.7 million to 2.6 million).

What about Delhi, Bombay, Karachi, Calcutta, and Dacca? There's a lot of English spoken there.

And how about the other New World cities on that list, São Paulo, Buenos Aires, and Rio de Janeiro?

How about Seoul?

What about Tokyo or Osaka?

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I'd guess it is partially related to accessibility of shooting locations, knowledge of local/national laws and law enforcement policies.

Plus some cities are just cooler than others. [B)]

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Ossicone wrote:
I'd guess it is partially related to accessibility of shooting locations, knowledge of local/national laws and law enforcement policies.

(emphasis mine.)
That's what I think it is.

Writers, producers, and directors, only know the laws of New York State and the State of California, and only know the law-enforcement policies of New York City and Los Angeles.

Hell, they've got the entire world thinking that every police-car in the U.S. of America has a seven-pointed star on the side with the motto "To Serve And Protect". (Really that's only Los Angeles.)

Wouldn't it be nice once in a while to see the laws and law-enforcement techniques of, say, Canada or Mexico?

Or, at least, of Texas (which is more populous than New York!)?
Or of Florida, Illinois, Pennsylvania, or Ohio (all of which have more than ten million inhabitants)?
Or of Michigan or Florida or North Carolina, to round out the top ten states by population?

Why set every last frickin' crime drama only in states where you're required to just flee your home if you don't think the burglar will kill you if you flee, rather than being allowed to shoot him if you don't think he'll leave unless you do?

Michigan has no death penalty, but gun-ownership is rather common in Michigan, and rather easier than it is in New York or California (though it's pretty tightly regulated; a bit tighter than Arizona, I guess). I think that would change the nature of the crime drama if it were set in Michigan. Or, frankly, any state without the peculiarities of New York or California, some of which are pretty peculiar peculiarities.

New York's "depraved indifference laws" may be a good thing, but, do we really need them to be a major plot point in absolutely every cop-and-prosecutor show?

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So; apropos to the Anthropology, Culture, and History topics:

Why are those obstacles never* overcome?

And would anyone on-board like to try a script set elsewhere, say, Puerto Rico, or Wyoming, or the District of Columbia?

*("Northern Exposure" wasn't a cop show.
"Hawaii Five Oh" was about counter-espionage rather than realistic police detective work.
"Longstreet" was set in New Orleans, but it's defunct.
"Homicide" was set in Baltimore, but it's defunct.)

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Ossicone wrote:
I'd guess it is partially related to accessibility of shooting locations, knowledge of local/national laws and law enforcement policies.


This.

Also, in general, New York and (to a much lesser extent) Los Angeles and Washington DC are iconic American cities. Everybody knows about them. Everybody knows what they - as a specific location - are like (supposedly, and stereotypically), like what buildings are there to be seen, what the culture is like, and so on. For instance, why the heck are movies taking place in France always taking place in Paris? Why not Orleans or Nice or Marsielles or some other nice city? But everyone knows that when you go to Paris there's "always" the Eiffel Tower and the Frenchy accordion music in the background. Japanese movies, anime, and what not, always seem to take place in Tokyo if it's the apocalypse or some monster's attacking the city or whatever - why? because, I think, it sort of reenforces the imagery of the destruction more. I mean, if Godzilla destroyed Takarazuka, Hyogo Prefecture, the impact wouldn't be as big as if Godzilla stomped through Tokyo, because Tokyo isn't just big in terms of population, it's also big in people's minds - bigger effect.


Well, that was my rant. I actually took an Anthropology class last quarter that dealt with this matter (or, well, was supposed to)... Cinema and the City. *shrugs*


Not sure if that really answers your question, though, but hopefully it gets you some thoughts.

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cybrxkhan wrote:
Also, in general, New York and (to a much lesser extent) Los Angeles and Washington DC are iconic American cities. Everybody knows about them. Everybody knows what they - as a specific location - are like (supposedly, and stereotypically), like what buildings are there to be seen, what the culture is like, and so on.
(.... plus other equally valuable and interesting remarks snipped out just to save space ....)


Yes, and in particular, people at least expect to, and think they do, know what the laws will be like in NYC and LA.

But I'm tired of iconic.

Not just in the USA, either.

I'd like to see police/detective/courtroom dramas set in other UK countries than England; and in other English cities than London.

I'd like to see police/detective/courtroom dramas set in other French cities than Paris; in fact, I understand Marseille is a much better place for it.

Why not Moscow, Berlin, Ankara, Rome, Madrid, Kiev, Warsaw, or Bucharest?

Why not Saint Petersburg or Novosibirsk?
Why not Hamburg or Munich?
Why not İstanbul or İzmir? İzmir is a headquarter port of the NATO fleet; an NCIS episode there could be pretty exciting. And just getting in a taxi in İstanbul is sufficient proof of your courage that nobody should ever again question your manhood.
Why not Lyon or Toulouse?
Why not Milan or Naples? Naples ought to be exciting, crime-wise.

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My personal opinion would be to just blame the producers and executives or something for thinking that's why audiences prefer. Or blame the audiences for making them think that. I guess iconic is just a safer option - you "know" the place, people can "understand" it more (or, rather, the stereotype of it). I dunno. I would throw in some more points from that class I took, but I kind of just forgot.

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eldin raigmore wrote:
I'd like to see police/detective/courtroom dramas set in other English cities than London.


"Life on Mars", "Justice", "Paradox", and also, I think "Murderland" and "The Silence".
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Przemysław wrote:
eldin raigmore wrote:
I'd like to see police/detective/courtroom dramas set in other English cities than London.
"Life on Mars", "Justice", "Paradox", and also, I think "Murderland" and "The Silence".


The 1971 "Justice" was set in the North of England, so it's an answer to my request -- Thanks!
The 2011 "Justice" is set in "Dovefield". I don't know where that is.

"The Silence is a BBC One 4-part prime-time crime thriller/family drama about a deaf girl who witnesses a murder, first broadcast between 12–15 July 2010." It's a mini-series, so it's not really what I'm after; I'd rather have something that ran for at least a year.

I can't tell where in the UK the BBC TV series "Murderland" is set. It's a miniseries, so it isn't really what I'm after, though I suppose I didn't say so.

"Life on Mars" is, I think, really too SF (time-travel) to be what I was asking for. I can't tell where it's set, except on the Thames somewhere.

"Paradox" is set in Manchester, but it's also very SF, as near as I can tell.

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Anyone have good resources on some polytheistic religions other than Hinduism and that of Ancient Greek?

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Anyone have good resources on some polytheistic religions other than Hinduism and that of Ancient Greek?

What are you looking for exactly?

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Just anything to read to give me inspiration.

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I don't have any specific resources, but you should be able to find stuff about shintoism, yoruba religion, old norse religion and old mesoamerican religion, to get ideas from all over the globe.

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Ossicone wrote:
Just anything to read to give me inspiration.

Shintoism is pretty interesting. I have some books on it, not that that helps you. But it is a polytheistic Religion that is interesting and different enough from ancient Greek and modern Hindu Religions.

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Just anything to read to give me inspiration.

I enjoyed "Vodun for Dummies" or "The Idiots' Guide to Vodun" or whatever the actual title was (maybe both).

There's also "Religion for Dummies" or "Idiot's Guide to Religion" (or whatever title -- maybe both).

I think I read "Complete Idiot's Guide to Voodoo" and "'Religion for Dummies' by the God Squad".
Both were pretty good.
I had a quibble with the God Squad, though. They said that the universe must have had a beginning and must have had only one. I see no mathematical reason why either of those is true; maybe the universe had no beginning, and maybe it had more than one.

http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/polytheisticreligions/Religions_and_Mythology_From_Cultures_With_More_Than_One_God.htm
might give you several such mythologies.

Here's a list they wrote:
America (3)
Asia - Religion / Mythology (14)
Celts Myth (25)
Creation Myths
Egypt (11)
Hinduism (6)
Japan Religion / Mythology (15)
Myth Encyclopedia (4)
Near East Myth (7)
Norse Mythology (44)
Sub-Saharan Myth (1)
Sun Gods and Sun Goddesses (4)

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Were/are there any societies besides the Pacific Northwest where large sedentary populations were supported by Hunter-gathering?

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In some parts of East Asia pottery predates agriculture, which implies sedentary hunter gatherers.
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Are there any cultures where men have traditionally had their hair longer (longer, not the same length) than women?

Edit: Like the entire hair... not only small braids etc

Bumping this question again.

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