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PostPosted: Thu 19 Apr 2012, 17:29 
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My wife merges /ð/ with /v/, and as a result she pronounces both "Tuvalu" and "too the loo" [tʰu:vəlu:] (or there abouts) which often leads to a few laughs.


What dialect does she speak? Isn't it quite common that word-initial [ð] becomes [d] or something, even for those with th-fronting in other environments?


She's from around High Wycombe in Buckinghamshire. Unfortunately neither of her parents have th-fronting and the only own of her friends from around that area that I've met doesn't seem to have th-fronting either, but her accent's a bit more RP-esque. So I can't say whether the use of [və] in place of [ðə] is a feature common to that area or just something specific to her.

She also uses [v] in words like "that", "this", "than" and [f] in "thin", "thick", "thorn", etc.


I think that's the Scouse or Estuary dialect.

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PostPosted: Thu 19 Apr 2012, 22:45 
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Helios wrote:
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My wife merges /ð/ with /v/, and as a result she pronounces both "Tuvalu" and "too the loo" [tʰu:vəlu:] (or there abouts) which often leads to a few laughs.


What dialect does she speak? Isn't it quite common that word-initial [ð] becomes [d] or something, even for those with th-fronting in other environments?


She's from around High Wycombe in Buckinghamshire. Unfortunately neither of her parents have th-fronting and the only own of her friends from around that area that I've met doesn't seem to have th-fronting either, but her accent's a bit more RP-esque. So I can't say whether the use of [və] in place of [ðə] is a feature common to that area or just something specific to her.

She also uses [v] in words like "that", "this", "than" and [f] in "thin", "thick", "thorn", etc.


I think that's the Scouse or Estuary dialect.


Nah, it's not Scouse, I have that accent and we more than often replace [ð] with [d̪] and [θ] with [t̪], mostly. Where I live the majority of the people, me included, say [mat̪s] or [mæt̪s] for [maθs]. But the [s] isn't really that stressed.

I do propose Liverpool should be a country due to the non-connections with the rest of the England. ;p

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PostPosted: Fri 20 Apr 2012, 04:21 
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Gaugazia, Transnistria/Transdniester
But these have already been mentioned before...

Montenegro, Macedonia, Sao Tome & Principe

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PostPosted: Fri 20 Apr 2012, 07:54 
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I do propose Liverpool should be a country due to the non-connections with the rest of the England. ;p


If you listen to some non-scousers, the same thought seems to exist round the rest of the country :p

But yeah, it definitely seems more an Estuary English thing, but like I said, we don't spend a lot of time down that way and I've only met one of her friends. MORE RESEARCH!

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PostPosted: Fri 20 Apr 2012, 11:38 
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What would count as a 'country'? Do we include various unrecognised territories and subdivisions? Or only internationally recognised sovereign states?

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PostPosted: Fri 20 Apr 2012, 13:16 
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I'd say Dominica and Micronesia(sounds more as a geographical term than a name of a country).


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PostPosted: Fri 20 Apr 2012, 17:24 
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I'd say Dominica and Micronesia(sounds more as a geographical term than a name of a country).


Micronesia was on survivor so....

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PostPosted: Fri 20 Apr 2012, 17:32 
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'Micronesia' can refer either to a state, The Federated States of Micronesia (FSM), or to a larger geographical area, adjacent to Polynesia and Melanesia. This larger area includes, apart from the FSM, the independent states of Nauru, Marshall Island, a part of Kiribati, and a few other states and territories.

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PostPosted: Fri 20 Apr 2012, 22:24 
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sangi39 wrote:
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I do propose Liverpool should be a country due to the non-connections with the rest of the England. ;p


If you listen to some non-scousers, the same thought seems to exist round the rest of the country :p


Aside from linguistically, I was more thinking the cultural and political affiliations, let alone to mention that more than half of my friends don't have English surnames, including myself. :3

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PostPosted: Thu 31 May 2012, 21:58 
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I thought, until i was ~12 years old, that Moldova and Timbuktu were just some random made-up countries mentioned in comics or something.


When I was very young (about six), I used to think Timbuktu was in Scotland.

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Jun 2012, 02:09 
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When I was very young (about six), I used to think Timbuktu was in Scotland.

Close to Midlothian, right?

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PostPosted: Mon 04 Jun 2012, 08:27 
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When I was browsing through the World Almanac, I had never heard of Gabon.

And the Maldives? You never hear about them. There are also a lot of people who have never heard of Brunei.

(I'm from the United States, by the way. California, to be exact.)

At least with countries like Burkina Faso, they're so obscure that people frequently use them as examples of random countries, so most Americans have heard of them.
Back when Burkina Faso was called Upper Volta in the 80s Reagan made a joke calling the USSR "Upper Volta with missiles". [xD]

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PostPosted: Mon 04 Jun 2012, 08:29 
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I never heard of Abkhazia and South Ossetia before it was in the news when Russia invaded Georgia.

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PostPosted: Mon 04 Jun 2012, 08:31 
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rickardspaghetti wrote:
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I thought, until i was ~12 years old, that Moldova and Timbuktu were just some random made-up countries mentioned in comics or something.

I used to think the same about Timbuktu and Karaganda. In Russian, if you want to say that something is located in a distant, unknown, god-forsaken place, you say "Где? В Караганде!" ("Where? In Karaganda!"). :mrgreen:


Haha. [:D] In finnish you say "Huitsin Nevadassa" (I don't know how to translate "huitsi" and i have absolutely know idea why Nevada is used in this expression)

In Swedish we say "Långtbortistan". "Långt bort" means "far away", and "-istan" is pretty self-explanatory.
In the US we sometimes call some obscure, socially backward place a "dumb-fuck-istan"

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PostPosted: Mon 04 Jun 2012, 15:04 
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I thought, until i was ~12 years old, that Moldova and Timbuktu were just some random made-up countries mentioned in comics or something.

I used to think the same about Timbuktu and Karaganda. In Russian, if you want to say that something is located in a distant, unknown, god-forsaken place, you say "Где? В Караганде!" ("Where? In Karaganda!"). :mrgreen:


Haha. [:D] In finnish you say "Huitsin Nevadassa" (I don't know how to translate "huitsi" and i have absolutely know idea why Nevada is used in this expression)

In Swedish we say "Långtbortistan". "Långt bort" means "far away", and "-istan" is pretty self-explanatory.
In the US we sometimes call some obscure, socially backward place a "dumb-fuck-istan"

Is this an old term or something invented after the recent wars?

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PostPosted: Mon 04 Jun 2012, 15:51 
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Is this an old term or something invented after the recent wars?

I think it's more inspired by other central Asian countries, such as Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan.

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PostPosted: Mon 04 Jun 2012, 22:26 
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Aszev wrote:
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In the US we sometimes call some obscure, socially backward place a "dumb-fuck-istan"
Is this an old term or something invented after the recent wars?

TTBOMK "Canuckistan" (for Canada) dates back to the last years of the Soviet Union. That's not really a direct answer to your question, but it's maybe relevant.

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Jun 2012, 04:13 
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Aszev wrote:
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CrazyEttin wrote:
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I thought, until i was ~12 years old, that Moldova and Timbuktu were just some random made-up countries mentioned in comics or something.

I used to think the same about Timbuktu and Karaganda. In Russian, if you want to say that something is located in a distant, unknown, god-forsaken place, you say "Где? В Караганде!" ("Where? In Karaganda!"). :mrgreen:


Haha. [:D] In finnish you say "Huitsin Nevadassa" (I don't know how to translate "huitsi" and i have absolutely know idea why Nevada is used in this expression)

In Swedish we say "Långtbortistan". "Långt bort" means "far away", and "-istan" is pretty self-explanatory.
In the US we sometimes call some obscure, socially backward place a "dumb-fuck-istan"

Is this an old term or something invented after the recent wars?
I'm 26 and have heard it my whole life.

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PostPosted: Tue 12 Jun 2012, 02:10 
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My favourite little-known country is Palau. An Island-nation with about 20000 inhabitants. It is subdivided into 16 municipalities, referred to as states. The smallest states have a few dozen people living in them.

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