Creating versatile morphemes?
Creating versatile morphemes?
So, I'm trying to get my conlang's grammar worked out, and at the moment, I'm fiddling with case and gender. One snag I keep hitting is the worry that if I create a case ending/marker/affix/etc., it will sound good with one word, or set of words, but not with another. For instance, if I wanted my nominative case ending to be "-asa", that would sound fine applied to a word like "carn", but not so well with a word like "cas". I'm not quite well-versed enough with the structure of case and the like to find some logical way around this. Any help?
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Re: Creating versatile morphemes?
You could just have irregular declension for words which you think sound bad with the standard affixes.Osverai wrote:So, I'm trying to get my conlang's grammar worked out, and at the moment, I'm fiddling with case and gender. One snag I keep hitting is the worry that if I create a case ending/marker/affix/etc., it will sound good with one word, or set of words, but not with another. For instance, if I wanted my nominative case ending to be "-asa", that would sound fine applied to a word like "carn", but not so well with a word like "cas". I'm not quite well-versed enough with the structure of case and the like to find some logical way around this. Any help?
Re: Creating versatile morphemes?
I second CrazyEttin; I would take a historical/phonological approach, if that would appeal to you more. Essentially, you could imagine a 'proto-form' like *cas-asa and then maybe rhoticize one 's' or the other, creating *carasa or *casara, and explain the irregularity as historical dissimilation.Osverai wrote:So, I'm trying to get my conlang's grammar worked out, and at the moment, I'm fiddling with case and gender. One snag I keep hitting is the worry that if I create a case ending/marker/affix/etc., it will sound good with one word, or set of words, but not with another. For instance, if I wanted my nominative case ending to be "-asa", that would sound fine applied to a word like "carn", but not so well with a word like "cas". I'm not quite well-versed enough with the structure of case and the like to find some logical way around this. Any help?
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Re: Creating versatile morphemes?
You could actually create different declension categories, eg. all words with stems ending in -sa get a different nominative affix. This way you wouldn't have to create much irregularity if you don't want to, only few additional rules.Mardigny wrote:I second CrazyEttin; I would take a historical/phonological approach, if that would appeal to you more. Essentially, you could imagine a 'proto-form' like *cas-asa and then maybe rhoticize one 's' or the other, creating *carasa or *casara, and explain the irregularity as historical dissimilation.Osverai wrote:So, I'm trying to get my conlang's grammar worked out, and at the moment, I'm fiddling with case and gender. One snag I keep hitting is the worry that if I create a case ending/marker/affix/etc., it will sound good with one word, or set of words, but not with another. For instance, if I wanted my nominative case ending to be "-asa", that would sound fine applied to a word like "carn", but not so well with a word like "cas". I'm not quite well-versed enough with the structure of case and the like to find some logical way around this. Any help?
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Re: Creating versatile morphemes?
Haplology could be quite well motivated there:
cas-asa -> casa
Alternatively, you could have some kind of stem partially distinct from the unmarked form (need not be distinct for every noun, and there is a wide space of options available), so you could get
cas -> cad- -> cad+asa = cadasa
(c.f. Finnish vekotin - vekottime|n, although this is from a historical *vekotim afaict where #m->#n, and this change didn't analogize into inflected forms. OTOH, there's also other things in Finnish like, a syllable that is turned from open to closed needs to reduce its initial consonant a bit along a certain hierarchy, so pata -> padat. alus -> aluksessa rather than alusessa, due to #ks -> #s, I surmise, pikkunen -> pikkus|en for whatever odd reason, etc. )
Another option, depending on how your language works, could be something like caasa, or cassa or whatever. Maybe a: doesn't exist, but e: does, so you get ce:sa whenever a long "a" would be expected, whatever. Languages do a lot of strange things along those lines.
cas-asa -> casa
Alternatively, you could have some kind of stem partially distinct from the unmarked form (need not be distinct for every noun, and there is a wide space of options available), so you could get
cas -> cad- -> cad+asa = cadasa
(c.f. Finnish vekotin - vekottime|n, although this is from a historical *vekotim afaict where #m->#n, and this change didn't analogize into inflected forms. OTOH, there's also other things in Finnish like, a syllable that is turned from open to closed needs to reduce its initial consonant a bit along a certain hierarchy, so pata -> padat. alus -> aluksessa rather than alusessa, due to #ks -> #s, I surmise, pikkunen -> pikkus|en for whatever odd reason, etc. )
Another option, depending on how your language works, could be something like caasa, or cassa or whatever. Maybe a: doesn't exist, but e: does, so you get ce:sa whenever a long "a" would be expected, whatever. Languages do a lot of strange things along those lines.