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My conlang don't have a separate section for adjective but my adjective is in the noun as well. Is it also possible to have no separate section for verb and just get my verb from noun as well as what i did with my adjective?

Ex: Instead of "he is handsome", it becomes "he is face".
Or "he is ugly" = "he is no face".
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v3luotianyi wrote:My conlang don't have a separate section for adjective but my adjective is in the noun as well. Is it also possible to have no separate section for verb and just get my verb from noun as well as what i did with my adjective?

Ex: Instead of "he is handsome", it becomes "he is face".
Or "he is ugly" = "he is no face".

An interesting system, though I'm not sure how functional it will be. I'd recommend you keep making more examples, and more complex ones involving things that work adjectivally. Eventually you'll discover whether the system really works well or whether it just doesn't work at all.

Also some questions:

What do you actually mean by "adjective is in the noun". I don't really see where this idea is working in your example. A face can be ugly or beautiful or aesthetic or crooked; nothing about the concept of "face" speaks of any particular adjective. If you're going to assign the adjective "beautiful" to the noun face, then about round faces or yellow faces or long faces or half-missing faces or terrifying faces? How will these other adjectives and thousands more be integrated within the noun itself?

Take a look at AllNoun for an example of how a language can get along by in large without separate verbal / adjectival categories.
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i learned it from other conlangers that they don't have separate section for adjective rather they get their adjective from noun. i'll try if this methodology will work on verb.
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im just stock as much like as wat i did with my noun as adjective as well.

adjective = noun
ex: (1) he is handsome --> he is face; (2) he is ugly --> he is no face

my problem with verb is narrowing and particularizing the action. for instance, there are many actions involving using feet such as walking, running, kicking, stepping, and some few to tell, but i can't just use the word feet alone.
ex: i feet him on face --> i kick him on face
but there are kinds of kicking such as axe kick, roundhouse kick, side kick, etc

so i wonder how the other, with adjectiveless+verbless conlang, have done their work

any help would be appreciated
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What is the argument against sentences like:

I axe kick him on the face.

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v3luotianyi wrote:im just stock as much like as wat i did with my noun as adjective as well.

adjective = noun
ex: (1) he is handsome --> he is face; (2) he is ugly --> he is no face

my problem with verb is narrowing and particularizing the action. for instance, there are many actions involving using feet such as walking, running, kicking, stepping, and some few to tell, but i can't just use the word feet alone.
ex: i feet him on face --> i kick him on face

any help would be appreciated
why can't you just use the word feet? if feet are on someone's face, they're doing something up there - and the only other option is that they're tickling the face.
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"I axe kick him on the face"
- well, ur right. axe kick is noun so there wouldn't be problem defining what kind of kick was used.

"why can't you just use the word feet? if feet are on someone's face"
- well, how can we tell through the sentence if that somebody is stepping or kicking?
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'He is face' sounds a lot like a phrase in Ukrainian

:ukr: Tи з лицéм
[tι z lι.ʦem]
2SG.NOM PRP face-INST.SG

:usa: :ukr: Tи з лиш
[[tι z lιʃ]

Lit. You are with face
= You're vain
= You're overly made up (i.e. too much makeup)

But I could easily see how this could mean

You're pretty/handsome

But the use of case helps function as an ADJZ (adjectivizer) for the noun 'face'.

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v3luotianyi wrote:"I axe kick him on the face"
- well, ur right. axe kick is noun so there wouldn't be problem defining what kind of kick was used.

"why can't you just use the word feet? if feet are on someone's face"
- well, how can we tell through the sentence if that somebody is stepping or kicking?

Indeed.
On the one hand, 'Kick', 'kicking' can be a noun all by itself.

On the other hand, your lang could be more specific:

I heel him on face
I blade-of-foot him on face
I sole-of-foot him on face
I ball-of-foot him on face
I instep him on face

The above words could all be single-word nouns in your conlang, and therefore describe kicks using those specific parts of the foot.
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How does one know that you are not saying you "foot him in the beautiful"? What distinguishes beauty as an adjective from the noun face? If there is nothing but context, then how would one say the previous nonsense sentence in your language?
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Thrice Xandvii wrote:Questions.
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Lao Kou wrote:
Thrice Xandvii wrote:Questions.
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Somewhat. Mayhap. For now...?
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Thrice Xandvii wrote:How does one know that you are not saying you "foot him in the beautiful"? What distinguishes beauty as an adjective from the noun face? If there is nothing but context, then how would one say the previous nonsense sentence in your language?
- if u wouldn't mind helping me working around such case? im just a newbie and theres a lot of technicalities im not aware of
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Lambuzhao wrote:'He is face' sounds a lot like a phrase in Ukrainian
Lit. You are with face
= You're vain
= You're overly made up (i.e. too much makeup)

But I could easily see how this could mean

You're pretty/handsome

But the use of case helps function as an ADJZ (adjectivizer) for the noun 'face'.

:wat:
- thanks for the sample! i learned something new - i noticed the usage of "with" to add more emphasis
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Lambuzhao wrote:
v3luotianyi wrote:"I axe kick him on the face"
- well, ur right. axe kick is noun so there wouldn't be problem defining what kind of kick was used.

"why can't you just use the word feet? if feet are on someone's face"
- well, how can we tell through the sentence if that somebody is stepping or kicking?

Indeed.
On the one hand, 'Kick', 'kicking' can be a noun all by itself.

On the other hand, your lang could be more specific:

I heel him on face
I blade-of-foot him on face
I sole-of-foot him on face
I ball-of-foot him on face
I instep him on face

The above words could all be single-word nouns in your conlang, and therefore describe kicks using those specific parts of the foot.
- i see... i prefer the latters rather than sticking with just feet to tell all the kicking
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