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Re: Þrinn: The Mid-Germanic Language

Post by All4Ɇn » Tue 14 Mar 2017, 01:02

Creyeditor wrote:Wow Thrinn politics seem to be really different from other countries in Europe. Just to clarify: what exactly do you mean by liberal? Maybe give some examples? I always get the English words confused, I think they may be kind of false friend with cont. German liberal.
Also, funny side note: The Green Party in Germany is almost the only political party in Germany right now, that has no anti-immigration policy whatsoever.
Salmoneus wrote:Why is a "far left" candidate having "liberal" policies? That seems like a contradiction in terms!
Sorry I probably shouldn't have used the word liberal. I know its traditional meaning is completely different, but where I live and for many people in the US it's simply a synonym for being politically left. Both the Far Left and the Green Party are socialist parties. The Greens are slightly more so and have a huge emphasis on environmentalism (of course), social justice, and free trade skepticism. The last position has made it a more common party among nationalist and people who anti-immigrant than the other center and left parties. The party's harder hit on immigrants is still far from being as hard as the Right and Far Right but was enough so that it was incredibly controversial among Green party members and a lot of people still think it might be a fluke to get rightwing votes.
Salmoneus wrote:Why would presidential candidates select "running mates" from totally different parties? Nobody's going to want a situation where the vice president is from a different party from the president!
Well the vice president has absolutely no political authority in Thrinn aside from taking over when the president dies, which happens so rarely people don't really think about it that much. It's not ridiculously uncommon for a vice president to be from the next party over on the political map (e.g. Left picking Center) but the Greens picking the Right was definitely fairly new terrain. But given that people had to choose between a Far Left candidate and an even farther Left candidate, the idea of throwing someone from the Right in has a lot of merits.
Salmoneus wrote:It seems extremely unlikely that you'd have such an even spread - surely the parties/blocs will come together, formally or informally, to preselect their candidates, rather than potentially throwing their chances of power away through vote-splitting?
That's usually what happens with the 2nd election typically being the Far Left, Left, or Center candidate against the Center, Right, or Far Right candidate but with the Left and Right parties shrinking, the Center already fairly low, the Far Left severely fractured, and the Greens and Far Right quickly gaining influence there was no clear way to do it
Salmoneus wrote:Why would there be low turnout from the centre and the right, if they were in a position where they had to vote to stop a far left candidate being elected? Surely the turnout would be higher than normal, not lower?
Suspected low turnout in the 2nd round due to the lack of a non far left candidate. Turnout was higher than normal across most parties in the first round.
qwed117 wrote:Subsections and percents would be nice. Also vote totals and a legend, because I can't understand the maps whatsoever. The colors vary a lot in the Us
Super sorry. I took them from a post a few pages back and forgot to add the legend. I'm not exactly sure how to do subsections as I haven't yet gotten that in depth and don't know how to make a map of them. Adding percents too [:)]. Not sure how long that will take though. I'm not sure how to average the percentage of each state's vote with the population therein.
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Re: Þrinn: The Mid-Germanic Language

Post by Creyeditor » Tue 14 Mar 2017, 01:13

All4Ɇn wrote:
Salmoneus wrote:Why would presidential candidates select "running mates" from totally different parties? Nobody's going to want a situation where the vice president is from a different party from the president!
Well the vice president has absolutely no political authority in Thrinn aside from taking over when the president dies, which happens so rarely people don't really think about it that much. It's not ridiculously uncommon for a vice president to be from the next party over on the political map (e.g. Left picking Center) but the Greens picking the Right was definitely fairly new terrain. But given that people had to choose between a Far Left candidate and an even farther Left candidate, the idea of throwing someone from the Right in has a lot of merits.
Like the German Chancellor and Vice-Chancellor almost always being from different partys.
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Post by All4Ɇn » Sat 18 Mar 2017, 22:03

Creyeditor wrote:Like the German Chancellor and Vice-Chancellor almost always being from different partys.
Yep [:)]


Is there anything you guys would like to know more about. Either about the language (vocab etc.) or just history type things etc?
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Re: Þrinn: The Mid-Germanic Language

Post by shimobaatar » Mon 20 Mar 2017, 00:20

Lots of great stuff! I've gone back through the thread looking for things I've already requested so I don't waste your time, and I'm finding that I've had all of these ideas before…

Could we see a complete list of the presidents of Thrinn with their names, parties, and the years they were in office, plus any other information you hadn't revealed before that you think would be important and/or interesting?
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Post by All4Ɇn » Mon 20 Mar 2017, 21:56

shimobaatar wrote:Lots of great stuff! I've gone back through the thread looking for things I've already requested so I don't waste your time, and I'm finding that I've had all of these ideas before…

Could we see a complete list of the presidents of Thrinn with their names, parties, and the years they were in office, plus any other information you hadn't revealed before that you think would be important and/or interesting?
Great to see you back on this thread Shimo [:D] ! You always had a lot of great questions. Hopefully there wasn't too much stuff to look through. And I'll definitely get on posting that list shortly [:)]
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Post by All4Ɇn » Tue 21 Mar 2017, 03:41

List Of Presidents
Lurt, Zenter, Reħt, Ultralurt, Naziparti, Grön

1. Viljálm Halgmann (1872-1876) (4 years)
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2. Karl Grev (1876-1880) (4 years)

3. Cyre Kovalski (1880-1884) (4 years)
First Polish and so far the only Jewish president. Ironically not particularly popular with either group at the time

4. Viktor Fox (1884-1886) (2 years)
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5. Grim Fadt (1886-1888) (2 years)
Never able to fully shake the legacy of his predecessor. The development of Thrinn's far right party began as a backlash to his and Fox's presidencies.

6. Nikolas Bersund (1888-1896) (8 years)
First president to win reelection. The beginning of his presidency was marked by turmoil caused by the previous 2 presidencies combined with rapid industrialization. By his second term, Thrinn had become relatively peaceful and began to experience a fairly modern, peaceful way of life. Despite being begged to run again, Bersund refused to go past the 8 years, leaving his less popular vice president to run in 1896 and later lose in a very close race

7. Tomas Vann (1896-1900) (4 years)
Although not well remembered today, Vann's biggest accomplishment was his revival and reinvention of the Center party's image

8. Äghel Düvel (1900-1904) (4 years)

9. Peter Brun (1904-1912) (8 years)
The first Right president. Well known for helping transform the Right party from one that gave the president almost unchecked power to a more modern Right party, although this transformation was far from finished by the end of his presidency and Brun was a very powerful president.

10. Konstantin Bermann (1912-1924) (12 years)
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11. Geörge Hamurd (1924-1925) (1 year)
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12. Luzi Maxund (1925-1928) (3 years)

13. Adam Havne (1928-1940, 1945-1948) (15 years)
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14. Heinrich Steuben (1940-1945) (5 years)
A German Nazi who was placed in charge following the Nazi takeover of Thrinn. Had no personal relation to Thrinn and simply carried out all that he was told by the Nazis. Following the war's end, Steuben was put on trial and executed.

15. Sigúrd Jörgsund (1948-1952) (4 years)
Havne's vice president and successor following Havne's decision not to run in 1948. Easily won his first term but his term was marked by significant problems with rebuilding the Thrinn post-war economy and lost his reelection.

16. Valentin Haßel (1952-1956) (4 years)
Won following an extremely divisive election. Many of his promises to fix Thrinn's economy were either unable to be implemented or simply scrapped. By the end of his term, Haßel had record low approval ratings and he left politics following his term's end.

17. Pål Sjäfer (1956-1964) (8 years)
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18. Franz Haga (1964-1968) (4 years)
It's generally agreed that Haga's center-left politics, while effective elsewhere, were out of touch with Thrinn's political atmosphere at the time which favored a mix of Socialism and Conservatism.

19. Sroðer Viter (1968-1972) (4 years)
Despite a close first round in the election, Viter won a huge landslide over Haga in the second round mainly due to the increased amount of protests, riots, and general acts of violence. Haßel saw a sharp increase in young voters towards his party, but Viter, on the heels of his claims that Haßel was ineffective in curbing violence, convinced older people to vote for him out of fear of the "degradation" the youth would bring

20. Justin Ågblödt (1972-1980) (8 years)

21. Maximíljian Franzsund (1980-1984) (4 years)
Perhaps nothing caused Franzsund to win the election than Ågblödt's decision to run again after having already been president for 8 years. Franzsund used Ågblödt's old age and length in office to portray him as out of touch. Franzsund won the election and no Thrinn president since has decided to run for a 3rd term since

22. Joħann Drakmann (1984-1988) (4 years)

23. Juli Mülner (1988-1996) (8 years)
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24. Koraka Póhaku (1996-2004) (8 years)
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25. Sjarlotte Mülner (2004-2012) (8 years)
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26. Mark Úlfsund (2012-2016) (4 years)

27. Cärel Huerd (2016-)
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Re: Þrinn: The Mid-Germanic Language

Post by shimobaatar » Wed 22 Mar 2017, 00:24

All4Ɇn wrote: Great to see you back on this thread Shimo [:D] ! You always had a lot of great questions. Hopefully there wasn't too much stuff to look through. And I'll definitely get on posting that list shortly [:)]
It's never a bad thing when I get to reacquaint myself with one of my favorite conlangs. [:D]

Thanks for the list! Stuff like this makes everything feel even more authentic. The notes about Kovalski have me wondering what the religious demographics of Thrinn look like. Would you be interested in going further into that, and/or sharing some vocabulary related to religion?
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Post by All4Ɇn » Wed 22 Mar 2017, 02:24

shimobaatar wrote:Thanks for the list! Stuff like this makes everything feel even more authentic. The notes about Kovalski have me wondering what the religious demographics of Thrinn look like. Would you be interested in going further into that, and/or sharing some vocabulary related to religion?
I was actually already thinking about talking about the Thrinn vocab for religion and the Thrinn's religious statistics. And thanks for the compliments! [:)]
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Post by All4Ɇn » Wed 22 Mar 2017, 02:40

Religion
Like most countries in western Europe, Thrinn's becoming less and less religious with every passing year. By far the most common religion in Thrinn is Christianity, followed by Islam, then Judaism, and then other various religions. If you count atheism as a religion it's a close second behind Christianity. Thrinn used to have a significant Jewish population, but it was largely decimated following the Holocaust. Out of the branches of Christianity, by far the most popular is Protestantism (and it's various forms) followed by a relative tie between Orthodoxy and Catholicism. Below are the different names for various religions in Thrinn. The first name is the name of the religion, the second the name of the follower, and the third the name of the adjective describing it. Names with only 2 use the same word to refer to the follower as the adjective.

Christianity:
Kristiguð/Krista/Kristig (Christianity/Christian)
Anglikanism/Anglikánsk (Anglicanism/Anglican)
*Evangelism/Evangelsk (Protestantism/Protestant)
Kalvinism/Kalvinist/Kalvinistisk (Calvinism/Calvinist)
Katholizism/Kathólsk (Catholicism/Catholic)
Luterduð/Lutersk (Lutheranism/Lutheran)
Prawoslavi/Prawoslávsk (Orthodoxy/Orthodox Christian/Orthodox)
*Protestantism/Protestant/Protestánsk (Protestantism/Protestant)

Islam:
Islam/Muslmann/Muslmänsk (Islam/Muslim)
Sjia/Sjiit/Sjiítsk (Shi'a/Shiite)
Sunnism/Sunnit/Sunnítsk (Sunni)

Other Religions:
Juduð/Jüða/Güdsk (Judaism/Jew/Jewish)
Budism/Budist/Budistisk (Buddhism/Buddhist)
Hinduism/Hindu/Hindußk (Hinduism/Hindu)

*Evangelsk refers to Protestant churches native to Germany and surrounding areas, particularly the Lutheran and Calvinist branches. Protestant refers to all Protestant branches as whole but in everyday speech more often than not is just used to refer to the Anglican church
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Post by loglorn » Wed 22 Mar 2017, 04:53

What's the etymology of 'Prawoslavi/Prawoslávsk'?

Got me curious.
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Post by shimobaatar » Wed 22 Mar 2017, 04:59

loglorn wrote:What's the etymology of 'Prawoslavi/Prawoslávsk'?

Got me curious.
It's probably related to the Russian word for Orthodoxy.
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loglorn wrote:What's the etymology of 'Prawoslavi/Prawoslávsk'?

Got me curious.
From what I can see, it looks as if Pravoslav means "Orthodox" in Czech. It likely has some relevance to that. I wonder where that comes from.
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Post by All4Ɇn » Wed 22 Mar 2017, 17:57

I had Prawoslavi as a borrowing from Russian but given that all the other Slavic languages seem to have borrowed it from Russian it could also be a borrowing from Czech or maybe an early Polish version of the word
qwed117 wrote:I wonder where that comes from.
It's a Russian calque of Orthodoxy
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Post by All4Ɇn » Fri 24 Mar 2017, 06:16

Surprised I haven't done something similar to this before. I went through and randomly picked a couple of words/phrases in the Thrinn dictionary and took out the ones which I know I've already covered somewhere on this thread. Here were the remainders:
Vålkürje- Valkyrie
Hvilegarð- Graveyard/Cemetary
Fraßen- (to) Work
Terbreken- (to) Break In/Out Of (Criminally)
Étj- Edible
Bevinnen- (to) Succeed
Lara- Lore/Dogma/Teaching/Tenet
Önnig- Lucky
Nive- New Moon (Full Moon would be Tungel)
Þurkend- Gaping
Anhaven- Wear/Have On
Vysduð- Safety/Security
Lan- Fief/Feud
Hok- Claw
Siss- Midge/Gnat
Nöjig- One-Eyed
Miþ fulle öga undnemen- (to) Keep an eye on
Ößtinje- Desert
Tal- Conversation
Mir ist þat þeselve- I don’t care
Üveld- Nauseous/Queasy
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Post by All4Ɇn » Sun 26 Mar 2017, 05:31

Here/There
Didn't think I'd have any more grammar to cover but just a small note on something. Unlike the words translated to "where" in English, in which there are 3 equivalents (Hvar, Hvare, Hvares) the words for here and there only have 2 equivalents:

Her- Here or to here
Heres- From here

Þar- There or to there
Þares- From there

Sample:
Hvar irðu? - Ig im her.
Where are you at? I'm here.

Hvare gat þu? - Ig ge þar.
Where are you going? - I'm going there.
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All4Ɇn wrote:Here/There
Didn't think I'd have any more grammar to cover but just a small note on something. Unlike the words translated to "where" in English, in which there are 3 equivalents (Hvar, Hvare, Hvares) the words for here and there only have 2 equivalents:

Her- Here or to here
Heres- From here

Þar- There or to there
Þares- From there

Sample:
Hvar irðu? - Ig im her.
Where are you at? I'm here.

Hvare gat þu? - Ig ge þar.
Where are you going? - I'm going there.
That's really interesting! I quite like that and may duplicate it :) I suppose it is not that different perhaps from English where and whence:
"Where is he?
"Where goes he?"
"Whence comes he?"
Obviously these sounds super strange in English but get across my point I hope. Would such a thing be called distal grouping perhaps?

Also, I am sure a few wrinkles of grammar will show up from time to time but yes, you seem to have been quite thorough up to now :)
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Post by All4Ɇn » Mon 27 Mar 2017, 02:37

Nachtuil wrote:That's really interesting! I quite like that and may duplicate it :)
Thanks and go right ahead. I love having an influence on other conlangs [:)]
Nachtuil wrote:I suppose it is not that different perhaps from English where and whence. Would such a thing be called distal grouping perhaps?
Distal grouping sounds about right. Older Modern English does however also have Whither and Whereto which also act to fill in the gap. Not sure how common either of them were at their peak in Modern English though
Nachtuil wrote:Also, I am sure a few wrinkles of grammar will show up from time to time but yes, you seem to have been quite thorough up to now :)
I guess it's like learning a natlang. Even when you think you know all the grammar, something small occasionally will slip in
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Post by Dormouse559 » Mon 27 Mar 2017, 03:33

I think those grammar elements are usually the harder-to-quantify ones, like pragmatics.

Have you thought about disease-related terms? You get really old or idiomatic names like the common cold and the flu, but there also highly technical ones like HIV/AIDS.
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Dormouse559 wrote:I think those grammar elements are usually the harder-to-quantify ones, like pragmatics.

Have you thought about disease-related terms? You get really old or idiomatic names like the common cold and the flu, but there also highly technical ones like HIV/AIDS.
Also, cooties, mono, herpes, pox, rinderpest, dracunculiasis, dengue, pus, mucus, phlegm, blood, tears, sebum, bile, bilestones, cancer, etc. There's a lot.
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Post by All4Ɇn » Mon 27 Mar 2017, 13:55

Dormouse559 wrote:Have you thought about disease-related terms? You get really old or idiomatic names like the common cold and the flu, but there also highly technical ones like HIV/AIDS.
That's a really cool idea. Haven't thought of that. Does anyone know of a good list of diseases with English names? I'll include a few of the Greek/Roman based ones but I'd like to focus on ones that have their own English names.
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