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 Post subject: Iriex
PostPosted: Fri 29 Jul 2011, 23:35 
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This post always contains the most recent update of Iriex. Later posts in the thread may be reffering to things that have since changed.

1 Phonology
1.1 Inventories
Note: These charts are currently incomplete.

1.2 Diphthongs
Iriex only contains closing diphthongs.
Diphthongs may only form between two short vowels or a long and a short vowel. The latter case is then realised as a 'long diphthong'.
A sequence of a more closed vowel to a more open vowel, or of two long vowels, is pronounced with a hiatus between each vowel.

1.3 Syllable Structure and Phonotactics
Iriex has a syllable structure consisting of an optional consonantal onset, a mandatory vocalic nucleus and an optional consonantal coda with no special restrictions on the occurrence of any permissible syllable structure, which the exception that all free root-morphemes must contain at least one consonant.
Open syllables with a short monophthong as a nucleus are considered ‘light syllables’ and are monomoraic, whereas closed syllables or syllables containing a long monophthong or any diphthong as a nucleus are considered ‘heavy’ and are bimoraic; this becomes important when determining the location of the accent.
Lone intervocalic consonants are always analysed as being in onset position.

Iriex’s syllable structure disallows word initial and word final consonant clusters; it also disallows word internal clusters of more than two consonants. However, morphological processes may cause these illegal clusters to occur; should this be the case, elision of one of the consonants in the cluster will take place, following a strict hierarchy: rhotics elide first, followed by laterals, nasals, fricatives and then plosives.
If all consonants are of equal ‘rank’, then the right-most consonant in the cluster will be elided.

Glottal fricatives may never appear in coda position. Morphological processes that force this to occur cause it to become the glottal stop, before voiced consonants, or become preaspiration of succeeding unvoiced consonants.
Glottal stops may only appear once within a single syllable. Morphological processes that force this to occur cause the onset stop to become the glottal fricative.

1.4 Allophony and Clustering
When two identical vowels occur next to each other within a word for any reason, elision of the second vowel takes place. When this occurs across a word boundary, both vowels are pronounced with a brief hiatus between them.
Similarly, homophonic consonants occurring in adjacent positions within a word cause elision of the second consonant. When this occurs across a word boundary, the consonants merge to form a single geminate.

An alveolar nasal preceding a velar plosive across a syllable boundary becomes a velar nasal.
A velar plosive becomes a uvular plosive when following a uvular fricative.
Uvular fricatives following alveolar nasals, plosives or fricatives, or following velar plosives become velar fricatives.
Alveolar trills followed by uvular fricatives 'merge' into unvoiced uvular trills.
Word final alveolar trills preceded by long vowels, or coda alveolar trills that are preceded by a long vowel and succeeded by an unvoiced or devoiced consonant, become devoiced.
Any plosive followed by a nasal across a syllable boundary exhibits a nasal release and causes the nasal to become devoiced.
Alveolar lateral approximants following alveolar stops become unvoiced alveolar lateral fricatives.
Plosives are always aspirated provided they precede a vowel.
Plosives followed by homorganic or near homorganic fricatives across a syllable boundary merge to form an affricate. These affricates aspirate in the same environments as plosives.

Non-accent bearing vowels preceded by any consonant that has lost its voicing due to another morphological process will itself become devoiced.

1.5 Harmony
Words in Iriex are required to harmonise vocalically.
There are no stems in Iriex containing back and front vowels together.
If a word stem contains either of the back vowels, then attached suffixes cannot contain a front vowel; they may only contain central vowels or more back vowels.
Similarly, suffixes attaching to stems containing no back vowels can only contain central vowels or front vowels.
Each suffix therefore has two separate forms, a back- and a front-form. The vowels in these separate forms are paired such that if the front-form of the suffix contains the either of the vowels [ i y ] then the back-form contains [ u ] and vice versa (which pairing is used must simply be memorised on an individual basis).
Similarly, if the suffix contains [ e ] in the front-form, then it contains [ ɑ ] in the back-form and vice versa.
If a word contains neither front nor back vowels but takes a suffix with alternate front or back forms, then the back form is used; it is the default.
Compounds are the only occasion where disharmonious vowels may exist within a 'single' word; in this case, suffixes harmonise with the morpheme to which they are attached.
The central vowel is referred to as the middle vowel. Front and back vowels are referred to as slender and broad vowels respectively, by extension, words that take the slender forms of morphemes are referred to as slender and words that take the broad forms are referred to as broad.
As words containing only the middle vowel take the broad forms of attached morphemes, they are also referred to as broad words.

1.6 Romanisation and Orthography
The following Romanisation of the Iriex language is for the convenience of real-world readers only; it does not exist in the universe of which Iriex is a part.
Long vowels are represented with a digraph consisting of the short vowel twice. i.e. <o> is [ ɑ ] so <oo> is [ ɑː ].
Syllables carrying a low tone bear a grave accent over the vowel. The high tone is unmarked and its identification is explained elsewhere. Only the first letter in a digraph carries the grave.
While Romanised, Iriex follows the standard punctuation rules for the RP dialect of the English language. To avoid confusion, a space should be left between a glottal stop and an apostrophe or quotation marks.
As the glottal stop lacks its own majuscule form, the letter following it should be capitalised when the glottal stop would normally be required to do so.
Romanisation
Note: The linked chart is currently incomplete.

Iriex is written using a logo-syllabary, using a set of characters for full words or concepts in addition to separate characters for each vowel and each CV combination. In the case of the latter, a null vowel diacritic is used to indicate that the vowel normally represented by the character should be ignored; this allows coda consonants to be represented without potential confusion.
Accents are also represented orthographically.
A simplified pictorial representation of an object is used for each character.
It is worth noting that the pronunciation of an Iriex morpheme will alter in certain environments. While this is represented orthographically when romanised, these are allomorphs and are not represented orthographically in the Iriex syllabary.

1.7 Accent and Intonation
Iriex has a left-edge pitch accent system, where at most one syllable in a word carries one of two contrasting tones; high and low.
The accented syllable must be one of the first two within the word, the heavier of the two receiving the tone.
If both syllables are of equal weight, the tone defaults to the initial syllable.
The high tone is realised as a high-to-mid falling tone, whereas the low tone is realised as a mid-to-low falling tone.
Certain monosyllabic words, such as articles and numerals, need not be accented in fast speech.

2 Nouns
2.1 Cases
Iriex is a head marking language in noun phrases but a dependant marking language in verb phrases.

The subject of an active sentence takes a suffix indicating it is in the nominative case.
For noun stems ending in <k x>, this suffix is <-os>. All other stems take <-ox>.
Direct objects take a suffix indicating that they are in the accusative case.
Noun stems ending in <t> takes the suffix <-os> while all others take <-ot>.
Indirect objects take the suffix <-an> to indicate that they are in the dative case.
While these allophonic variants are noted in the Romanisation, this is not the case for Iriex's native orthography.

2.2 Number
Iriex's number system is trivially simple, distinguishing only two levels of number, singular (one) and plural (more than one).
The plural indicator is the suffix <-p>, applied to the stem before the case marking is applied.

2.3 Pronouns and Animacy
Pronouns denote person and animacy and take the nominative and accusative cases as other nouns do.
Animate nouns include gods, beings, spirits (excluding wisps), animals (excluding small invertebrates and the like) and water.
All other nouns fall under the inanimate class.

1ANM <a->
2ANM <ca->
3ANM <so->
2INM <we->
3INM <ra->

2.4 Possession
Nouns fall into two classes relating to possession; those optionally possessed, such as jewellery or a home, and those obligatorily possessed, such as body parts or relatives.
Those nouns that fall into the latter category must be described as having a possessor. i.e. "There lies a severed arm." is incorrect; the sentence must be "There lies someone's severed arm." or similar.
Nouns of the former category need not be described as having an owner, thus "That's a house." and "That's someone's house." are both correct.
Possession is indicated by a suffix on the possessed noun that agrees in person and animacy with the possessor. This suffix appears after all other suffixes.

1ANM <-a>
2ANM <-oc>
3ANM <-u>
2INM <-os>
3INM <-ona>

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 Post subject: Re: Iriex (I need help!)
PostPosted: Sat 30 Jul 2011, 00:12 
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Lodhas wrote:
Grammar
Iriex is a nomitive-accusitive language.
Word order is used to differentiate subject and object.
Personal pronouns and demonstrative pronouns are differentiated by context.
The vocative case causes lenition of the inital phoneme.

You have case marking, so you don’t need to rely on word order to differentiate subject and objects.

Lenition
Ḃ ḃ- /v/
Ċ ċ- /ʃ/
Ḋ ḋ- /ð/
Dḣ dḣ- /ħ/
Ḟ ḟ- /ħ/
Ġ ġ- /ħ/
Ḣ ḣ- / /
K̇ k̇- /x/
Ṁ ṁ- /v/
Ṅ ṅ- /ð/
Nġ nġ- /ɣ/
Ṗ ṗ- /f/
Ṡ ṡ- /ʃ/
Sḣ sḣ- /ħ/
Ṫ ṫ- /θ/
Tḣ tḣ- /ħ/
V̇ v̇- /ħ/
Ẋ ẋ- /ħ/
Ż ż- /ʒ/
Zḣ zḣ- /ħ/
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Are there any phonological or morphological processes that drive lenition other than the vocative case? Lenition often occurs when a sound is found intervocalically.

Also, it will be easier to manage your phoneme inventory if you organize it in a chart like so:
Consonants
Code:
m         n               ŋ
pʰ bʰ     tʰ dʰ           kʰ
                    t͡ʃ
f v       θ ð s z   ʃ ʒ   x ɣ       ħ
          l ɽ
w


This is fine, though a bit Englishy. Why do you have g = /ɣ/ rather than /gʰ/? It seems that /gʰ/ would pattern better with the voiced /bʰ/ and /dʰ/.

Vowels
Code:
i y
 ɛ     oʊ
  æ   ʌ
   ɒ


Do you have any example words and simple sentences that can be used to demonstrate your case marking system?

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 Post subject: Re: Iriex (I need help!)
PostPosted: Sat 30 Jul 2011, 00:26 
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You have case marking, so you don’t need to rely on word order to differentiate subject and objects.
Just because one has morpholgical case marking doesn't mean that there can't be different word order positions for subject and object or word order rules for how they are positioned. Plenty languages employ both.

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 Post subject: Re: Iriex (I need help!)
PostPosted: Sat 30 Jul 2011, 02:50 
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xinda wrote:
You have case marking, so you don’t need to rely on word order to differentiate subject and objects.

Ah, fair point.

xinda wrote:
Are there any phonological or morphological processes that drive lenition other than the vocative case? Lenition often occurs when a sound is found intervocalically.

Honestly, I adopted the rule from my rudimentary Gaelic knowledge. I had intended to use lenition elsewhere but I'm unsure how to go about it. I know the number two also causes lenition in Gaelic, but it was beyond the scope of my begginner course and they mentioned it in passing only.

xinda wrote:
Also, it will be easier to manage your phoneme inventory if you organize it in a chart.

Thankyou, I didn't know I could do that!

xinda wrote:
This is fine, though a bit Englishy. Why do you have g = /ɣ/ rather than /gʰ/? It seems that /gʰ/ would pattern better with the voiced /bʰ/ and /dʰ/.

Hmmm, I was trying to distance it from English a little, and the phonemes are basically arbitrary decisions.
If I were to shift some of the other phonemes so the pattern better suited /ɣ/, would that perhaps kill two birds with one stone?
How does one detect this pattern? :oops:
EDIT: Never mind, I've just clicked!

xinda wrote:
Do you have any example words and simple sentences that can be used to demonstrate your case marking system?

Lexically, things are still a bit up-in-the-air, however:
A meshba ara ielixer ashil, aṀel.- I sent you my letter, Mel.
(1st person singular) (mesh+past tense) (1st person singular+GEN) (ielix+ALL) (2nd person singular+ACC) (Mel+VOC)
mesh- send
ielix- letter

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 Post subject: Re: Iriex (I need help!)
PostPosted: Tue 02 Aug 2011, 12:03 
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Lodhas wrote:

xinda wrote:
Are there any phonological or morphological processes that drive lenition other than the vocative case? Lenition often occurs when a sound is found intervocalically.

Honestly, I adopted the rule from my rudimentary Gaelic knowledge. I had intended to use lenition elsewhere but I'm unsure how to go about it. I know the number two also causes lenition in Gaelic, but it was beyond the scope of my begginner course and they mentioned it in passing only.


Oooh! I might be able to try to help there.... Let's see.

The vocative lenites. The number two does lenite some things:
1 aon
2 dà dhà
3 trì
4 ceithir
...
9 naoi
10 deich
11 aon deug
12 dà dheug or dhà dheug
13 trì deug
14 ceithir deug
...

But usually the number two (making a pair of something) keeps your noun in the singular. Rather than doing anything else.

Also Something to do with masculine and feminine things either leniting or not leniting.

Feasgar math
versus
Oidhche mhath

Feasgar and oidhche are male and female each, which causes one math to lenite, and the other to not.

All right, I have been very vague, but ask some questions and I can find my book in the meantime. I hope. :)


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PostPosted: Wed 03 Aug 2011, 06:00 
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MyghternTighrijd wrote:
All right, I have been very vague, but ask some questions and I can find my book in the meantime. I hope. :)


My problem isn't really much to do with Gaelic itself, it merely gave me the idea to use lenition for the vocative. My problem is other ways I could use lenition so it doesn't seem like I've shoe-horned it in (that I have not-with-standing...): I don't have genders (not even my pronouns indicate gender) so the Gaelic genitive system's out (if I recall, you do something odd like make the feminine masculine then lenite or some-such convoluted thing), and I'm not sure I want to complicate my number system any further (it's base six, which is a pain)...

I'm thinking modifying the Gaelic genitive system, but swapping out gender for some other morphological feature.

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Ok, in light of my attempts to create a root language, I increased the consonant inventory and simplified the vowel system (I also reminded myself of the inventing conspecies' anatomy and removed dentals...).
The allophony and phonotactics are still incomplete and the grammar has been swept under the rug for the time-being (i.e. until I complete what I have up here and work on the prosody.)
Grammar-wise I suspect I may make the whole thing more isolating, then have the daughter languages lean towards agglutination or inflection further down the line.

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 Post subject: Re: Iriex (Progressing)
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Added a couple of features, might be able to move onto the lexicon soon!
Just have the entire grammar section to do 1st...

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I have no spell-check, so pointing out any typos. would be appreciated. :p

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Gotta' love computer crashes... In any case, I'll be updating this thing again in the near future.

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- Any inspiration for that one?


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It is also possible to articulate uvular laterals, but they are also too hard to pronounce to occur as a phoneme in any known language.
- Wikipædia.

- Then I think we must include it in Exasperanto.

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Any inspiration for that one?

Mostly arbitrary but also partly related to the inventing conspecies' oral anatomy. This is also the reason for the lack of dentals, which is unheard of or so I'm told.

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Then I think we must include it in Exasperanto.

I didn't have any trouble pronouncing it so it didn't occur to me it would be difficult, but why not? :P

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Uvular lateral? Tried it, sounds really weird. Messes with vowel qualities, too.

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Uvular lateral? Tried it, sounds really weird. Messes with vowel qualities, too.

Hmmm... true enough, but that could be covered in the allophony.
(What's more of a problem, for me, is that I didn't notice this until you mentioned it...)

As for sounding wierd, I can live with that. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Iriex (I need help!)
PostPosted: Thu 29 Sep 2011, 18:57 
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xinda wrote:
Lodhas wrote:
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Iriex is a nomitive-accusitive language.
Word order is used to differentiate subject and object.
Personal pronouns and demonstrative pronouns are differentiated by context.
The vocative case causes lenition of the inital phoneme.

Where's the grammar, morphology, and syntax, now?

(And BTW "nominative" not "nomitive".)

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Where's the grammar, morphology, and syntax, now?

I've re-done much of the language (actually, I've only really kept a few ideas, like making Iriex agglutinative, and some of the lexicon) so these sections should start going up maybe next week, perhaps earlier.

eldin raigmore wrote:
(And BTW "nominative" not "nomitive".)

Ooops, thankyou.

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Mostly arbitrary but also partly related to the inventing conspecies' oral anatomy. This is also the reason for the lack of dentals, which is unheard of or so I'm told.



Lack of dentals is not that uncommon. It would be another thing if it no coronals of any kind.

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Lack of dentals is not that uncommon. It would be another thing if it no coronals of any kind.

Ah, that's welcome news!

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Lodhas wrote:
• / ɪ I / with / e e ɛ E /
• / ä a_" / with / a a ə @ ɜ 3 ɐ 6/
• / ʊ U / with / ɵ 8 ɤ 7 o o /
• / u u / with / ʏ Y ʉ } ɯ M /

Wow. Wouldn't this allophony be... I'm not saying "unrealistic", but maybe too difficult? I mean, if you can say any word in over 5 ways, it's going to be messy. You basicly have all the vowel spectrum here.
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Words in Iriex are required to harmonise vocalically.

Would it be practical with such restricting phonology? Where does /a/ belong?

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Wow. Wouldn't this allophony be... I'm not saying "unrealistic", but maybe too difficult? I mean, if you can say any word in over 5 ways, it's going to be messy. You basicly have all the vowel spectrum here.
I wouldn't have said so, since the speakers don't tend to distinguish between them. As far as they're concerned / ɪ e ɛ / / I e E / all sound like < I i >.
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Would it be practical with such restricting phonology?
I'm not sure what you mean, what difficulties would I likely have?
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Where does /a/ belong?
It's central, so it may occur alongside both back and front vowels.

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