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 Post subject: Re: Iriex (Progressing)
PostPosted: Mon 14 Nov 2011, 10:17 
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I'm not sure what you mean, what difficulties would I likely have?

All languages with vowel harmony that I know of, have at least more than 5 vowels (Finnish, Hungarian, Turkish).
I'm just guessing that your words would sound as if they were composed of similar syllables, thus hard to distinguish.

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 Post subject: Re: Iriex (Progressing)
PostPosted: Mon 14 Nov 2011, 18:29 
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All languages with vowel harmony that I know of, have at least more than 5 vowels (Finnish, Hungarian, Turkish).
I'm just guessing that your words would sound as if they were composed of similar syllables, thus hard to distinguish.
I suppose that's always possible, but I I won't know until I start on the lexicon.

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 Post subject: Re: Iriex (On Hold)
PostPosted: Thu 17 Nov 2011, 00:29 
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Ok, technically I'm not actively working on Iriex at the moment, but something has been annoying me for a while now; is there a better way to represent the uvular trill than <Q q>? I find it rather ugly and possibly grounds for confusion.

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 Post subject: Re: Iriex (On Hold)
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Lodhas wrote:
Ok, technically I'm not actively working on Iriex at the moment, but something has been annoying me for a while now; is there a better way to represent the uvular trill than <Q q>? I find it rather ugly and possibly grounds for confusion.

All languages I know of just go with <R>.

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 Post subject: Re: Iriex (On Hold)
PostPosted: Thu 17 Nov 2011, 14:30 
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<ġ> is used in many transliterations, I think. Also <ł> for Armenian (/ʁ/ there comes from an earlier /ɫ/ I think), <ǧ> or <ğ> (Lakhota, I think, and several Turkic languages), or <g'> like Uzbek? In conlangs, I I've seen <ř> many times. And there's still <gh>.


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 Post subject: Re: Iriex (On Hold)
PostPosted: Thu 17 Nov 2011, 21:26 
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Maximillian wrote:
All languages I know of just go with <R>.
I reckon that would lead to confusion with the alveolar trill. :/
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<ġ> is used in many transliterations, I think. Also <ł> for Armenian (/ʁ/ there comes from an earlier /ɫ/ I think), <ǧ> or <ğ> (Lakhota, I think, and several Turkic languages), or <g'> like Uzbek? In conlangs, I I've seen <ř> many times. And there's still <gh>.
I'd rather avoid digraphs given their ambiguity, and inserting another accent for the purposes of one phone seems silly. Would <ł> possibly be confused for <l>?
A non-Roman character seems the way to go at any rate.

Thankyou guys.

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 Post subject: Re: Iriex (On Hold)
PostPosted: Wed 14 Dec 2011, 04:04 
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Still not actively working on it, but I have added a plural/number system.
You might notice that the strange uvular lateral has vanished... yeah, working out the effects it had on neighbouring vowels was so hellish that I just dropped it.
I also took Maximillian's advice and added phonemic length, necessitating some changes to the allophony and mora system.
I'm also trying a new orthography; can everyone see all the characters I've chosen? I rather avoid digraphs and such, but it's no use having an unreadable orthography.
I'm not sure why the double acute in the example table has been rendered to the right of the letter though...

The words in these examples mean:
aox- child
a̋sma- flea, tick
caɍ- bird, bat
ɍär- cow, bull, calf (essentially any singular member of a bovid species regardless of gender or age)
urux- star
xaun- town, village
xi- two
Also, please note that I intend on the nominative case being marked but haven't yet decided how, so these will change at some point.

Edit: Haven't uploaded the new stuff yet because it's still changing a lot, but I have dropped long vowels again; combined with a personal dislike for them (which wouldn't have been enough to make me drop them), they were causing hell on the orthography front. I reversed the accent (to a grave) for the falling tone because it makes more sense and because I changed my keyboard layout to make typing Gaelic easier. I also think I may start using an apostrophe for the glottal stop again.

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 Post subject: Re: Iriex (On Hold)
PostPosted: Thu 05 Jan 2012, 00:02 
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I've added a partial update to the case system, only the dative, locative and ablative to go, and a few examples... I think I may just learn how to make PDFs because coding these tables is a nightmare (I also have the awful suspicion that it may be a wasted effort given the spacing may change for other people's browsers.)
I'm working on a passive/active voice distinction and a basic gender 'system', and I've also started on numerals, which will make Janko happy, no doubt.

Still not sure I like <g> for the uvular trill but it's better than <q> and means only one special character (especially useful since this site seems to like overriding my keyboard layout...)

Edit: So much for PDFs; didn't know I had to buy an add-on to make them...

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 Post subject: Re: Iriex (Progressing)
PostPosted: Thu 05 Jan 2012, 10:53 
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Maximillian wrote:
Lodhas wrote:
I'm not sure what you mean, what difficulties would I likely have?

All languages with vowel harmony that I know of, have at least more than 5 vowels (Finnish, Hungarian, Turkish).
I'm just guessing that your words would sound as if they were composed of similar syllables, thus hard to distinguish.

Warlpiri has three: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warlpiri_l ... el_harmony


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 Post subject: Re: Iriex
PostPosted: Wed 22 Feb 2012, 19:51 
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The first part of a large update.
The grammar is still in existance, it just won't be re-added until a little later.

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 Post subject: Re: Iriex (On Hold)
PostPosted: Wed 22 Feb 2012, 22:22 
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Lodhas wrote:
Edit: So much for PDFs; didn't know I had to buy an add-on to make them...

Nar? Most word processors (including OpenOffice) can export to PDF...

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 Post subject: Re: Iriex (On Hold)
PostPosted: Wed 22 Feb 2012, 23:08 
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Trailsend wrote:
Nar? Most word processors (including OpenOffice) can export to PDF...

Hmmm, well unless I've missed something, it doesn't appear that Microsoft Word can, and Adobe wants a subscription to do it.
I'll look into OpenOffice.

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 Post subject: Re: Iriex
PostPosted: Sun 26 Feb 2012, 06:30 
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Apropos of nothing, I've just noticed that the first four letters of my Roman orthography spell /äʃeɸ/...

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 Post subject: Re: Iriex
PostPosted: Wed 30 May 2012, 18:55 
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Well, that'll teach me to update this more often... Computer when tits up and I lost every shred of data I had.

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 Post subject: Re: Iriex
PostPosted: Tue 05 Jun 2012, 04:33 
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There's a quick update of what I had for the phonology, maybe I can also kick my ass into uploading what I had of the grammar before I forget it all.
Lexicon's mostly gone from my mind but I may just start that from scratch anyway.


I had the idea of voicing intervocallic stops, or perhaps all such consonants, and changing the pitch accent to a stress accent as a part of a regional variation.

I'm wondering how the loss of the two different tones would manifest. Any examples?

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 Post subject: Re: Iriex
PostPosted: Tue 05 Jun 2012, 04:45 
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Lodhas wrote:
I had the idea of voicing intervocallic stops, or perhaps all such consonants, and changing the pitch accent to a stress accent as a part of a regional variation.

I'm wondering how the loss of the two different tones would manifest. Any examples?


my two cents...

it might do things like you've already got down - dà, dá, dâ, däbecomes dà, dhà, dà, dhá - or perhaps it would go from dà, dá, dâ, dä to dà, dà ji, dá, dá mi.
(or one remains a word, the other becomes a particle)

just a thought.


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 Post subject: Re: Iriex
PostPosted: Tue 05 Jun 2012, 18:36 
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Keenir wrote:
my two cents...

it might do things like you've already got down - dà, dá, dâ, däbecomes dà, dhà, dà, dhá - or perhaps it would go from dà, dá, dâ, dä to dà, dà ji, dá, dá mi.
(or one remains a word, the other becomes a particle)

just a thought.

I am unsure what you mean here.

Should I maybe have mentioned that only the information in the first post is up to date? Other posts are for discussion or notifying updates; the actual info gets edited into the first post.

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 Post subject: Re: Iriex
PostPosted: Fri 08 Jun 2012, 07:46 
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(More) proof reading, a small change to the accent system and the very small section on grammar.

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 Post subject: Re: Iriex
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Another minor update, mostly to fix the charts.
There are some inconsistencies in the section regarding case marking as I'm currently tweaking it so that the result actually matches the plan...

Edit: And for the curious, he is my input for gen.
It includes the elision rule for doubled consonants and the orthographic conventions for pitch and long vowels.
What it doesn't include are the rules for vowel harmony or to limit only one pitch accent per word.
As it stands, I let the 1st syllable in the word determine the accent and vowel forms the word will take and alter every following syllable to match.
It also drops out single consonant words every so often... Not sure how to fix that either.
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C=rtscpxmnflw’h
R=aouiye
F=àòùìỳè

mm|m
nn|n
pp|p
ww|w
tt|t
ss|s
cc|c
rr|r
ll|l
kk|k
xx|x
’’|’
hh|h
ii|i
yy|y
ee|e
aa|a
oo|o
uu|u
àà|à
òò|ò
ùù|ù
ìì|ì
ỳỳ|ỳ
èè|è
aq|aa
eq|ee
iq|ii
oq|oo
uq|uu
yq|yy
àq|àa
òq|òo
ùq|ùu
ìq|ìi
ỳq|ỳy
èq|èe

RC
CR
CRC
FC
R
CRq
CF
CRqC
CFq
Rq
CFC
RqC
FC
CF
CFq
CFC
F
CFqC
Fq
FqC

Medium Drop-off

Frequent Monosyllables

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