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Re: Yay or Nay?

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No passives in my lang, alas. But using some noun incorporation i could do:

"1p.s.patient 3p.human.agent-X-CALL"
"Me they-X-call."
My name is X.
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holbuzvala wrote:Which should I use? Or any further suggestions? (P.S. Not a fan of "I call myself X" as I think one shpold relish that one's name is chosen by others and thus delightfully out of our control)
A lot of Romance languages use a reflexive construction (Might that be what you're thinking of with "I call myself X"?), but the usage of reflexives throughout these languages often corresponds closely to a passive or middle voice. So except in certain contexts, it would be unuseful to think of "Je m'appelle …", "Me llamo …", etc. as meaning "I call myself …" rather than simply grouping them with "I am called …" or "They call me …"
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Dormouse559 wrote:
holbuzvala wrote:Which should I use? Or any further suggestions? (P.S. Not a fan of "I call myself X" as I think one shpold relish that one's name is chosen by others and thus delightfully out of our control)
A lot of Romance languages use a reflexive construction (Might that be what you're thinking of with "I call myself X"?), but the usage of reflexives throughout these languages often corresponds closely to a passive or middle voice. So except in certain contexts, it would be unuseful to think of "Je m'appelle …", "Me llamo …", etc. as meaning "I call myself …" rather than simply grouping them with "I am called …" or "They call me …"
You know, now that I think of it, I never really thought of Spanish as using a reflexive conjugation. I always interpreted it as an extension of an impersonal se...
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qwed117 wrote:You know, now that I think of it, I never really thought of Spanish as using a reflexive conjugation. I always interpreted it as an extension of an impersonal se...
… Which is a reflexive by origin. So yeah, two sides of the same coin.
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Thanks all - very helpful.
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holbuzvala wrote:I'm trying to think up how to translate 'my name is X.' Obviously, there are several versions available, and these are the ones I've thus far thought up:

1. My name is X
2. They call me X
3. I am X
4. I hold the name X
5. They gave me the name X
6. On/in me is the name X

Which should I use? Or any further suggestions? (P.S. Not a fan of "I call myself X" as I think one shpold relish that one's name is chosen by others and thus delightfully out of our control)
Swedish has heta and German has heißen. They are translated 'be called' but they are not passives.
Jag heter X.
Ich heiße X.

Finnish has olla nimeltään lit. "Be from one's name"
Olen nimeltäni X.
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Omzinesý wrote:
holbuzvala wrote:I'm trying to think up how to translate 'my name is X.' Obviously, there are several versions available, and these are the ones I've thus far thought up:

1. My name is X
2. They call me X
3. I am X
4. I hold the name X
5. They gave me the name X
6. On/in me is the name X

Which should I use? Or any further suggestions? (P.S. Not a fan of "I call myself X" as I think one shpold relish that one's name is chosen by others and thus delightfully out of our control)
Swedish has heta and German has heißen. They are translated 'be called' but they are not passives.
Jag heter X.
Ich heiße X.

Finnish has olla nimeltään lit. "Be from one's name"
Olen nimeltäni X.
Polish has "mam na imię X", literally "for (my) name, I have X".
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^Latin has something similar with the dative "mihi":

The name to/for me is X
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Yay or nay?

Vrkhazhian's Abjad and Onschen's Syllabary should share a common, logographic ancestor, though both civilization are separated by a couple thousand kilometers.
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Ahzoh wrote:Yay or nay?

Vrkhazhian's Abjad and Onschen's Syllabary should share a common, logographic ancestor, though both civilization are separated by a couple thousand kilometers.
Yea. That definitely sounds like a possibility, especially since I don't think a few thousand kilometers is a very huge gap to bridge.
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Eh, it's a bit more than a few thousand I've realized. Yonstsagonians live in an icy peninsula about 60-70 degrees latitude while Vrkhazhians are around 20-30. But they contact by sailing along the coastline!
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That still sounds OK, at least to me.
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I'm making a Graecolang. I know it's gonna be something of the Arcadian-Cypriot-Pamphyllian trio, but which one should I choose? I got SCA2 block. If it's Pamphyllian, it's gonna be heavily influenced by the Turks. Cypriot is going to be influenced by a potpourri of Arabic, Turkish, and Italian. And Arcadian will be barely influenced by Koine, with the rest of the changes coming a priori.
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Tough choice… I'd probably go with Cypriot myself.
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I've recently gotten into Chữ Nôm and I think it might be one of my favorite writing systems aesthetically. I was wondering what you guys thought about the idea of me making a language, probably Austroasiatic, Malayo-Polynesian, or Tai-Kadai, written in Chữ Nôm? Does it seem kinda pointless?
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All4Ɇn wrote:I've recently gotten into Chữ Nôm and I think it might be one of my favorite writing systems aesthetically. I was wondering what you guys thought about the idea of me making a language, probably Austroasiatic, Malayo-Polynesian, or Tai-Kadai, written in Chữ Nôm? Does it seem kinda pointless?
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loglorn wrote:
All4Ɇn wrote:I've recently gotten into Chữ Nôm and I think it might be one of my favorite writing systems aesthetically. I was wondering what you guys thought about the idea of me making a language, probably Austroasiatic, Malayo-Polynesian, or Tai-Kadai, written in Chữ Nôm? Does it seem kinda pointless?
If it suits your fancy. Go at it for sure.
Yeah, I'd say definitely go for it! Knowing the languages you've made so far, All4Ɇn, I'm confident it will turn out great!
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shimobaatar wrote:
loglorn wrote:
All4Ɇn wrote:I've recently gotten into Chữ Nôm and I think it might be one of my favorite writing systems aesthetically. I was wondering what you guys thought about the idea of me making a language, probably Austroasiatic, Malayo-Polynesian, or Tai-Kadai, written in Chữ Nôm? Does it seem kinda pointless?
If it suits your fancy. Go at it for sure.
Yeah, I'd say definitely go for it! Knowing the languages you've made so far, All4Ɇn, I'm confident it will turn out great!
It'd certainly be pretty unique as conlangs go. In fact, I think we've yet to see a conlang use it at all. Go for it!
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Shonkasika (in its current iteration, heh) has two sets of personal endings for verbs. One for the non-past tenses and another for past tenses.

Non-past

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 sg. pl.
1 -t -nde
2 -m -meth
3 -s -ks
Past

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 sg. pl.
1 -ti -ndi
2 -mi -methi
3 -si -ksi
Right now, the past marking -i isn't based on anything at all. I was thinking of changing that to -or based on the medial determiner forms that contain the stem *-or(e) (Cf. norelto "then", noruga "there"). That would yield:

Past

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1 -tor -ndor
2 -mor -methor
3 -sor -ksor
I could also base them on the distal determiner forms that contain *-uj(e) /ud͡ʒe/ and use -u

Past

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1 -tu -ndu
2 -mu -methu
3 -su -ksu

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Frislander wrote:
shimobaatar wrote:
loglorn wrote:
All4Ɇn wrote:I've recently gotten into Chữ Nôm and I think it might be one of my favorite writing systems aesthetically. I was wondering what you guys thought about the idea of me making a language, probably Austroasiatic, Malayo-Polynesian, or Tai-Kadai, written in Chữ Nôm? Does it seem kinda pointless?
If it suits your fancy. Go at it for sure.
Yeah, I'd say definitely go for it! Knowing the languages you've made so far, All4Ɇn, I'm confident it will turn out great!
It'd certainly be pretty unique as conlangs go. In fact, I think we've yet to see a conlang use it at all. Go for it!
Devil's dissent: You might as well go a prior. All three are extremely poorly reconstructed (especially if you choose to make your language straight from the reconstruction, and not from a famous branch.
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