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 Post subject: Isene
PostPosted: Mon 30 Jan 2012, 17:01 
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Isene(ṿoka sai iseni) is my new conlang.

Phonology
Orthography is written in cursive.
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All vowels can also be long.
Allophony
Plosives are aspirated if they begin the word.
The ç becomes ʃ before o and o̞. Example: /aiʃo/,not /aiço/.
Phonotactics
The syllable structure is (C)(C)V(C)(C).
Permited consonant clusters:voiceless plosives + voiceless plosives,approximants&lat.approximant + everything except aspirated plosives and /ɭ/,voiced&voiceless fricatives + everthing except voiced fricatives and lateral approximants,affricate + everything except nasals and voiceless plosives,palatalised plosives + everything except aspirated&palatalised plosives, aspirated plosives + everything except aspirated&palatalised plosives and affricate,nasals + everything
Vowels can appear in clusters of max two vowels.

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 Post subject: Re: Isene
PostPosted: Mon 30 Jan 2012, 19:01 
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Akzálī wrote:


Plosives are aspirated if they begin the word.



Does it mean that the distinction between 'plain' voiceless and aspirated plosives is neutralised word-initially?

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Vowels can appear in clusters of max two vowels.


Do you mean in a single syllable nucleus? Or across syllable boundaries? Do you have some way of avoiding longer clusters of vowels? (Like inserting glottal stops or whatever in between?)

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 Post subject: Re: Isene
PostPosted: Mon 30 Jan 2012, 19:41 
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xingoxa wrote:
Does it mean that the distinction between 'plain' voiceless and aspirated plosives is neutralised word-initially?


Do you mean in a single syllable nucleus? Or across syllable boundaries? Do you have some way of avoiding longer clusters of vowels? (Like inserting glottal stops or whatever in between?)

I did not fully understand your first question but I will try to answer:Every word-initial plosive is aspirate or palatalised.It is never plain voiceless.
Not in single syllable nucleus because syllable structure allows only one vowel in a syllable.
Vowel clusters only appear at syllable boundaries.Example:naiṭec-syllables are na,it and ec.
Why there are no vowel clusters longer than 2 vowels:
If a plosive precedes a vowel,it becomes aspirated by fusing with a vowel.
Example: *keain [->] ƙain
If a cluster is word-final,the last vowel becomes a schwa and then dissapears.
Example: *ṿenaié [->] *ṿenaiə [->] ṿenai
In other situations,last vowel also becomes a schwa and then dissapears.
Example: *croai [->] *croaə [->] croa


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 Post subject: Re: Isene
PostPosted: Mon 30 Jan 2012, 20:05 
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Nouns Nouns are not inflected per case,grammatical number or gender,but there are accusative,comitative and instrumental particles.
Accusative particle is used if a noun is a direct object.
Comitative particle is used to denote companionship and possesion.
Instrumental particle is used with a noun which is the subject's instrument for doing an action.

Examples
seʈéka alir ri.
see-1.p.sg cat acc.particle
I see a cat.

ɭeika alir sai.
walk-1.p.sg cat acc.particle
I am walking together with a cat.

rezaika nanḳe ri ƙal sacif ni.
cut-1.p.sg. apple acc.particle many knife ins.particle.
I cut many apples by a knife.

Any feedback on Isene?


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 Post subject: Re: Isene
PostPosted: Mon 30 Jan 2012, 20:24 
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The particles look like postpositions to me.

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 Post subject: Re: Isene
PostPosted: Tue 31 Jan 2012, 16:36 
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Verbs

Conjugation
The first three columns are in standard realis mood.
Conjugated verbs are ecé (to have) and ramajer (to conquer)
-C verbs are consonant-final verbs.
-V verbs are vowel-final verbs.
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Is the conjugation system natural enough?


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 Post subject: Re: Isene
PostPosted: Tue 31 Jan 2012, 16:59 
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Akzálī wrote:
Is the conjugation system natural enough?


IMO, it's not. Look at the following verbal forms:

ecéƭ ecém ecép
ecén ecér ecéṭ ecék
ecél ecéj ecéʈ
ecéf ecév

The only thing distinguishing them from each other is the final consonant. Redundancy is the word you'd like to memorize.

PS The Croatian (and in 100 other languages) [a] is really an AGI open central vowel. Wouldn't you want the same for your language?


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 Post subject: Re: Isene
PostPosted: Tue 31 Jan 2012, 20:31 
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Przemysław wrote:
Akzálī wrote:
Is the conjugation system natural enough?
IMO, it's not.The only thing distinguishing them from each other is the final consonant. Redundancy is the word you'd like to memorize.
PS The Croatian (and in 100 other languages) [a] is really an AGI open central vowel. Wouldn't you want the same for your language?

What means AGI?
Thanks![a] is now a central vowel.
Orthography has undergone some changes [->]
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Is the verb conjugation better :?: [->]
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 Post subject: Re: Isene
PostPosted: Tue 31 Jan 2012, 23:51 
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Akzálī wrote:
Is the verb conjugation better :?


Yeah, it seems so but it still looks somewhat random. You could construct some rules, not necessarily transparent from a synchronic point of view. Have a peek at natural languages conjugations, say, in Latin.

AGI = as God intended

PS Oh, and make your images crispier.


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 Post subject: Re: Isene
PostPosted: Wed 01 Feb 2012, 15:05 
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Przemysław wrote:
Akzálī wrote:
Is the verb conjugation better :?
Yeah, it seems so but it still looks somewhat random. You could construct some rules, not necessarily transparent from a synchronic point of view. Have a peek at natural languages conjugations, say, in Latin. AGI = as God intended P.S. Oh, and make your images crispier.

Crispy new orthography [->]
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Crispy improved verb conjugation [->]
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 Post subject: Re: Isene
PostPosted: Wed 01 Feb 2012, 15:23 
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I see improvement. Best of luck.


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 Post subject: Re: Isene
PostPosted: Wed 01 Feb 2012, 15:36 
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Thanks!
Adjectives
The noun phrases are always-right branching(did I express me properly?).
Adjectives are not inflected.
The case particle comes after a noun and an adjective which modifies the noun.
Example
seʈéka pɭeni nire ri.
see-1.p.sg liquid black acc.particle
I see a black liquid.
Numerals
Numerals behave similarly to adjectives.They come after an adjective,but before the case particle.
Example
seʈéka pɭeni nire seni ri.
see-1.p.sg liquid black one acc.particle
I see one black liquid.

Edit: Corrected a stupid mistake.


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 Post subject: Re: Isene
PostPosted: Thu 02 Feb 2012, 10:27 
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Adverbs
Adverbs are made from adjectives by infixing -ó- after first consonant.
If there's a vowel cluster after first consonant,nothing is infixed.
A part of adverbs can't be used as adjectives.
Adverbs come after the verb which they modify(did I express myself properly?)
Examples
néka ci.
be-1.p.sg quick
I am quick.

azónaka cói.
run-1.p.sg quickly
I run quickly.

but

néka nió.
be-1.p.sg happy
I am happy.

cuyaka nió.
sing-1.p.sg happily
I sing happily.


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