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 Post subject: Snowfall
PostPosted: Sat 04 Feb 2012, 11:41 
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Don't worry.I am still working on Isene [:)] .
Snowfall is an artlang inspired by yesterday's rare heavy snowfall in my hometown(Split,Croatia).
It is tripartite-argument of intransitive verb is in absolutive case,agent of transitive verb is in ergative,and object of transitive verbs is in accusative case.

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For convenience,I will also write Snowfall in IPA.


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 Post subject: Re: Snowfall
PostPosted: Sat 04 Feb 2012, 13:22 
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Where are the high vowels :?:

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 Post subject: Re: Snowfall
PostPosted: Sat 04 Feb 2012, 19:56 
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I love the phonology, can't wait to see how words turn out without an [ i ] or a [ u ]. I also really like that you're making it a tripartite language :). Good luck. Can't wait to see more! ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Snowfall
PostPosted: Sat 04 Feb 2012, 20:27 
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xingoxa wrote:
Where are the high vowels :?:

conlangconstructor wrote:
I love the phonology, can't wait to see how words turn out without an [ i ] or a [ u ]. I also really like that you're making it a tripartite language :). Good luck. Can't wait to see more! ;)


Can you really have mid vowels without high vowels?
Natural languages with only two vowel-heights are likelier to have
/i i: a a: u u:/ than /e e: a a: o o:/.
If naturalism and realism of the vowel-inventory aren't part of your design-goal, why not ("just because I decided not" is an acceptable reason), and what other goal(s) do you have instead?
If you're going to go with mid vowels without high vowels, you'll have to explain why the language doesn't evolve high vowels, as one would naturally expect it to do over time.

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 Post subject: Re: Snowfall
PostPosted: Sat 04 Feb 2012, 21:33 
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eldin raigmore wrote:
xingoxa wrote:
Where are the high vowels :?:

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I love the phonology, can't wait to see how words turn out without an [ i ] or a [ u ]. I also really like that you're making it a tripartite language :). Good luck. Can't wait to see more! ;)


Can you really have mid vowels without high vowels?

Yes.

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 Post subject: Re: Snowfall
PostPosted: Sat 04 Feb 2012, 21:34 
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Apparently Yanesha' has /e o a/. Having /i u a/ is definitely likelier, but there's nothing wrong with having /e o a/ instead. I would expect your language to have [i] and [u] as allophones at least. Possibly [ɪ] and [ʊ] as well.

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 Post subject: Re: Snowfall
PostPosted: Sat 04 Feb 2012, 21:55 
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Ubykh had, and Abkhaz has, only two vowels - /a/ and /@/ (or three in Abkhaz's case if you consider length to warrant a separate vowel. One could argue this case for a few other Caucasian languages as well.
A language need not have a *commonly found* vowel system.


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 Post subject: Re: Snowfall
PostPosted: Sun 05 Feb 2012, 00:30 
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Yanesha apparently has /u ʊ/ and /i ɪ/ as allophones of /o/ and /e/ respectively.

It's interesting with other vowel systems than the usual ones. I'm just curious about how it's thought to have developed.

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 Post subject: Re: Snowfall
PostPosted: Sun 05 Feb 2012, 00:35 
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xingoxa wrote:
I'm just curious about how it's thought to have developed.

But a crucial first question is whether it's thought to have developed. Akzali hasn't said anything to indicate that the language is based in a conculture, or that it is supposed to have a naturalistic diachronic account.

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 Post subject: Re: Snowfall
PostPosted: Sun 05 Feb 2012, 00:47 
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btw isn't /i e a o/- lacking /u/ - a rather common system among native American languages? And doesn't Pirahã has /i a o/? Apparently you can have a mid back vowel without a corresponding hight one.

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 Post subject: Re: Snowfall
PostPosted: Sun 05 Feb 2012, 05:26 
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Quite a few languages have /i a o/ actually. Mostly those minimal ones.


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 Post subject: Re: Snowfall
PostPosted: Tue 07 Feb 2012, 13:11 
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Phonotactics
Syllable structure
The syllable structure is (C)V(C).Snowfall has no consonant or vowel clusters because the roots don't have consonant clusters and there are separate affixes for consonant-initial,consonant-final,vowel-initial and vowel-final words.
Allophony
Allophony in Snowfall is minimal.The plosives are aspirated when word-initial.


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 Post subject: Re: Snowfall
PostPosted: Tue 07 Feb 2012, 14:08 
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Nouns
Nouns don't have number nor gender,but the nouns are inflected per case.
Cases
Snowfall has 6 cases:Absolutive,Ergative,Accusative,Dative,Genitive 1 and Genitive 2.
Genitive 1 is used to mark alienable possession and Genitive 2 is used to mark inalienable possession.
Dative is used to mark recipient of a ditransitive verb and before prepositions despite,in opposite of,to.The Dative also handles locatives,instrumentals and comitatives.
Inflection of consonant-final nouns and vowel-final nouns [->]
The case suffixes are red.
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conlangconstructor wrote:
I love the phonology, can't wait to see how words turn out without an [ i ] or a [ u ]. I also really like that you're making it a tripartite language :). Good luck. Can't wait to see more! ;)

Now you can see how words turn out without [ i ] or [ u ] [;)]

Edit: Genitive 2 handles inalienable possession. [:)]


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 Post subject: Re: Snowfall
PostPosted: Wed 08 Feb 2012, 21:29 
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How does Snowfall handle instrumentals and comitatives?

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 Post subject: Re: Snowfall
PostPosted: Wed 08 Feb 2012, 21:33 
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Akzálī wrote:
Snowfall has 6 cases:Absolutive,Ergative,Accusative,Dative,Genitive 1 and Genitive 2.
Genitive 1 is used to mark alienable possession and Genitive 2 is used to mark alienable possession.
I'm guessing that one of these should be inalienable.

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 Post subject: Re: Snowfall
PostPosted: Thu 09 Feb 2012, 13:13 
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Thanks for the feedback!
roninbodhisattva wrote:
Akzálī wrote:
Snowfall has 6 cases:Absolutive,Ergative,Accusative,Dative,Genitive 1 and Genitive 2.
Genitive 1 is used to mark alienable possession and Genitive 2 is used to mark alienable possession.
I'm guessing that one of these should be inalienable.
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How does Snowfall handle instrumentals and comitatives?
Snowfall uses dative for them.Also,it uses dative to handle locatives.

Verbs
Verbs are inflected per tense and mood.They can be reflexive,nontransitive,transitive or ditransitive.

Inflection of verbs per aspect and tense [->]
Aspect prefixes are red,tense affixes are green and person suffixes are purple.

Inflection of consonant-initial and vowel-final verbs:

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Inflection of vowel-initial and consonant-final verbs:
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Is the inflection natural enough?

If you are interested,xē means to be and os means to breath.

Edit: Corrected a mistake. [:)]


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 Post subject: Re: Snowfall
PostPosted: Fri 10 Feb 2012, 10:17 
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Infinitive
Infinitive is basic unmarked form of verbs.
It is only used in sentences like this:I want to live.
In Snowfall this sentence is eḳēς saš.
An attempt at glossing:
e-ḳē-ς-Ø saš
SJV.want.PRS.1SG live


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 Post subject: Re: Snowfall
PostPosted: Fri 10 Feb 2012, 22:09 
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Akzálī wrote:
It is only used in sentences like this:I want to live.


You mean, only as a complement to the verb meaning 'want'? Or are there more verbs that take a complement in the infinitive?

Can you say something: I want him to live?

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 Post subject: Re: Snowfall
PostPosted: Fri 10 Feb 2012, 23:05 
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xingoxa wrote:
Akzálī wrote:
It is only used in sentences like this:I want to live.

You mean, only as a complement to the verb meaning 'want'? Or are there more verbs that take a complement in the infinitive?
Can you say something: I want him to live?

Yes,it is only used as a complement to the verb.The infinitive is used with all verbs which can have a complement.
No,you can only say something like "I want he lives." .
Thanks for the feedback!
BTW,can I use Wa'te in my conworld?


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 Post subject: Re: Snowfall
PostPosted: Fri 10 Feb 2012, 23:59 
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Akzálī wrote:
BTW,can I use Wa'te in my conworld?


Yes, anyone may use Wa‘tē as much as they want. [:)]

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