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 Post subject: Ulsperanto
PostPosted: Wed 11 Jul 2012, 23:04 
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More of a minor reform of Esperanto/Ido reform/dialect than a legit conlang. I am more than content if this doesn't catch on in any way whatsoever, I am not being sarcastic. Constructed criticism/questions are always accepted and Urusirian isn't dead. If you speak Esperanto/Ido fluently, let me know what you think the red passage on the third installment translates to (don't read the grammar first). Done simply out of boredom.
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Phonology and Orthography

Inventory

/m n (ŋ~ŋg)/ m n ng or ñ or ň
/p b t d k g/ p b t d k g
/ts dz tʃ dʒ/ c j ch/č jh/ǰ
/f v s z ʃ ʒ (x) h/ f v s z sh/š zh/ž x h
/w l r j/ w l r j

/ɑ~a~æ e~ɛ i~ɪ~ɨ o~ɔ~ø~ɵ~œ~ɒ u~ʊ~ʌ~ʉ~ɯ~y~ʏ/ a e i o u
/aj ej oj uj aw ew iw ow/ ay ey oy uy aw ew iw ow

Notes:

1. The vowels' preferred (tense) pronunciation is the far left phoneme (e.g. (a~i) is preferably [a]), the phoneme immediately to the right of that is the preferred lax/alternate pronunciation (if any). The rest are acceptable alternate variations of the same phoneme. All vowels can be /ə/ when unstressed.
2. Any rotic sound will do for /r/, likewise any lambdic sound will do for /l/.
3. ' separates digraphs, tremas separate diphthongs. Marked letters are always preferred over their digraph counterparts, unless they are absent in your unicode character selection.
4. <Qq> is only used in names, such as 'Qofo (or Quo)' (the name of the letter itself) and is pronounced /k/ usually and various other phonemes according to etymology.


Phonotactics and Sandhi are the same as in Esperanto, except eng can be word-initial [mostly in loans]. Punctuation is as in English, but capitalization only occurs in proper nouns- such as places. Arabic numerals can take the place of written numbers any time.

Stress is unregulated, but preferably on the pentiultimate syllable.

The numeral system used is long scale (10^12= One Billion). The metric date and measuring systems (but the weekday can be written as part of the date; e.g. 7/R/7/12= Thursday, July 7, 2012) is used. The decimal point is the comma.

Letter Names

Letter names are officially based off simplified Semitic~Greek forms to avoid confusion, but colloquially the vowels are the pronunciation of said vowel for vowels (e.g. A=A) and the consonants are the sound said consonant makes plus 'o' (e.g. Be=Bo). Official names are below (the final vowel can be dropped).

*Capital Jho should have a caron in writing, it only retains the Esperanto circumflex due to lack of font support.

Aa-Alfo
Bb-Buto
Cc-Cadeo
Čč-Čimao
Dd-Delto
Ee-Epso
Ff-Fayo
Gg-Gamo
Hh-Heto
Ii-Ižico
Jj-Joǰan
Ĵǰ*-Ĵeňo
Kk-Kapo
Ll-Lamedo
Mm-Memo
Nn-Nuo
Ňň-Ngaro
Oo-Oyino
Pp-Peo
(Qq)-Qofo
Rr-Rešo
Ss-Samego
Šš-Shino
Tt-Tavo
Uu-Unifo
Vv-Vawfo
Ww-Wedobo
Xx-Xraso
Yy-Yodo
Zz-Zio
Žž-Živeto

======= Grammar Part 1

Nouns

Nouns are grouped by case and number.

Code:
           Singular Plural  Collective   
     
Nominative   -o           -oy     -oa
Accusative    -on         -oyn   -ona
Dative           -os        -oys   -osa


Notes:

1.Nominative denotes the subject, Accusative marks direct objects, and Dative marks indirect objects.
2.Collective nouns don't require an article before them.
3.Final -o in the nominative singular can be dropped for the noun infinitive (and is ALWAYS dropped when adding suffixes beginning with a vowel) and cases can be united as long as S(ubject) V(erb) D(irect)O(bject) I(ndirect)O syntax is used.


Articles

El/La - Definite, La is before consonants and El is before vowels.
Un/Uno- Indefinite, Uno is before consonants and Un is before vowels.

Adverbs

-e, as in Esperanto

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 Post subject: Re: Ulsperanto
PostPosted: Thu 12 Jul 2012, 00:45 
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Grammar Part 2

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Personal Pronouns

Code:
   Singular Plural (Exclusive)
1p         Mi          Ni      Wi
2p         Vi           Ti     
3p         Ri           Ĵi
4p        Oni         Eli
                                                     

-si can be added to form reflexives
-n and -a are used to form direct and indirect object forms, respectively

Correlatives

Ki- Interrogative
Ti- Proximal
Bi- Distal
Xi- Tertiary
I- Existential/Indefinite
Či- Universal
Neni- Negative
Fi- Alternative

-a Quality
-al Reason
-am Time
-e Place
-el Manner
-es Association
-o Being
-om Amount
-u Individual

Verbs and Adjectives

1.Adjectives are treated as verbs, as a result- there is no copula. Final 'a' can be dropped thematically. Synthetic participles are formed by merging tense and aspect. Generic statements are formed with the uncertain tense. Adjectival verbs may be treated as nouns with an -a base suffix instead of a -o base suffix.

Tense

-is Past
-as Present
-os Future
-es Uncertain

Mood

-i Infinitive
-u Volitive
-us Conditional

Aspect

ek- Perfect
-(a)di- Imperfect

The 'a' in '-adi' is only used thematically.

Voice

-inda Past Active
-anda Present Active
-onda Future Active
-enda Uncertain Active

-ita Past Passive
-ata Present Passive
-ota Future Passive
-eta Uncertain Passive

Transivity

-(i)ǰi- Transitive, Causative
-(i)gi- Intransitive, Middle Voice

Comparisons/Similes

Tro- Too Much
Tre- Very
Pley- Most
Pli- More
----
Sufiča- Enough
----
Nepli- Less
Nepley- Least
Netre- Not Very
Netro- Not Enough

Is As- Kel
As An/Like a- Tel

Conjunctions

Both (of)/And- I
With- Kay
Either/Or- Aw
Neither/Nor- Nek
If/Therefore (So,Then)- Us
Whether/Or- Ču
But/Yet- Sed
(this/that/yon) Instead (of)- Netio/Nebio/Nexio or Anstataw
Besides/ In addition to- Krom

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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jul 2012, 00:52 
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Is there any particular aspect of Esperanto/Ido or other existing auxlangs that you are dissatisfied with, and seek to reform?

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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jul 2012, 00:56 
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Xing wrote:
Is there any particular aspect of Esperanto/IDO or other existing auxlangs that you are dissatisfied with, and seek to reform?


Why is IDO CAPITALIZED? Anything that appears different from either language is a feature that dissatisfies me.

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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jul 2012, 00:58 
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Prepositions

Para- For
Por- (Done) By
Al- To
Du- Full Of
De- Belonging To
Da- From
Il- Made Of
Pro- For (Instead Of)
Ye- During
En- On
In- In
Alin- Into
Alen- Onto
Do- Quantity/Quality Of
Until- Žis
Before- Ante
After- Poste

Interjections

Hi- Halo
Bye- Vay
Yes- Yes
No- No
Thanks- Dankon
No Problem- Tanoz
Please- Bonvolu
Gesundheit- Gezun
Congrats- Gratulon
Oh- A
Oh!- Ho
Umm- Umm
Just- Sti

Miscellaneous Additions/Editions

Ulsperanto-Esperanto

-Anga - -Anda
Ne(n)- - Mal-

Billiono-Duilliono
Billiardo-Duilliardo
Drinki-Trinki
Padro-Patro
Spozo-Edzo

Ulsperanto-English

Fazi- To Do
Hasi- To Make

Ulsperanto also uses gender and animacy neutrality except in adjectives.








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Red Passage

Mi ne poves manǰi žis tin penti uno bananoz.

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 Post subject: Re: Ulsperanto
PostPosted: Thu 12 Jul 2012, 03:09 
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Quote:
ɰʷ


You...you do realize that this is just /w/, right?

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 Post subject: Re: Ulsperanto
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Chagen wrote:
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ɰʷ


You...you do realize that this is just /w/, right?


Yeah, I was going for an accurate transcription.

EDIT: I changed it back to /w/ for clarity.

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 Post subject: Re: Ulsperanto
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[w] is pretty accurate too.

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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jul 2012, 06:43 
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why the fuck use farenheit?

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 Post subject: Re: Ulsperanto
PostPosted: Thu 12 Jul 2012, 07:07 
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zelos wrote:
why the fuck use farenheit?


Gesundheit.

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 Post subject: Re: Ulsperanto
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MrKrov wrote:
[w] is pretty accurate too.


That's true. At least occasionally, [w] can represent other, similar sounds, like [β̞͡ɰ], so there could be a point in writing [ɰʷ]. You could technically also write [u̯] or [ɯ̯ʷ]. But I'd prefer the good old [w].

zelos wrote:
why the [...] use farenheit?


Whether to use Fahrenheit or Celsius or some other temperature scale does not really have so much to do with the language. In English you can say "it's XX degree Fahrenheit" and "it's YY degree Celsius" with the same ease.

For international auxiliary purposes though, it may be convenient to use the more widespread of many competing systems.

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 Post subject: Re: Ulsperanto
PostPosted: Thu 12 Jul 2012, 12:55 
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Xing wrote:

zelos wrote:
why the fuck use farenheit?


Whether to use Fahrenheit or Celsius or some other temperature scale does not really have so much to do with the language. In English you can say "it's XX degree Fahrenheit" and "it's YY degree Celsius" with the same ease.

For international auxiliary purposes though, it may be convenient to use the more widespread of many competing systems.


If you quote me quote all of the relevant part and don't censor :P

And yes I agree with that, which leaves farenheit and imperial units out of the question.

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 Post subject: Re: Ulsperanto
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zelos wrote:
why the fuck use farenheit?



Extreme temperatures deserve extreme numbers.

Celsius would make sense, provided you're only measuring the heat of water- but since most of everything isn't water and Fahrenheit has greater precision than Kelvin- I'm using that.

@Xing terms from other units of measurement won't be left out of the language.

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Celsius would make sense, provided you're only measuring the heat of water

WTF?

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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jul 2012, 18:04 
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Milyamd wrote:
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Celsius would make sense, provided you're only measuring the heat of water

WTF?

[+1]

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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jul 2012, 18:50 
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Milyamd wrote:
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Celsius would make sense, provided you're only measuring the heat of water

WTF?


Celsius is based around water temperature, so it has to generalize. Fahrenheit has more precision for more accurate temperature recording.

Can we get back to the language please?

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Helios wrote:
Anything that appears different from either language is a feature that dissatisfies me.


When you say that it "dissatiesfies" you, are talking about a personal aesthetic judgement? Or do you think that your changes is something that would be objectively desirable for an international auxiliary language?

Helios wrote:
Celsius is based around water temperature, so it has too generalize.


Every temperature scale needs some way to define its zero-point and its degrees of measurement. (Even the Fahrenheit scale, whose zero point is the lowest temperature its inventory could create artificially, through the freezing brine.) When the scales are defined, they can be used to measure the temperature of anything. Neither the Celsius nor the Fahrenheit scales needs to generalise. They are already as general as temperature scale can be.

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Jul 2012, 15:21 
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Helios wrote:
zelos wrote:
why the fuck use farenheit?



Extreme temperatures deserve extreme numbers.

Celsius would make sense, provided you're only measuring the heat of water- but since most of everything isn't water and Fahrenheit has greater precision than Kelvin- I'm using that.


Thats the most retarded shit reason I have ever heard for it.

I can give you even better precision, Decikelvin and farenheit can go and bite the dust like it already should have.

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Jul 2012, 20:18 
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Ever heard of decimals?

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