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PostPosted: Tue 13 Mar 2012, 04:41 
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Chagen wrote:
The conlang has a NOM-ABSOL alignment.

What?


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PostPosted: Tue 13 Mar 2012, 04:57 
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Weird, I swear Nominative-Absolutive was a kind of morphosyntactic alignment.

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PostPosted: Tue 13 Mar 2012, 09:50 
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Solarius wrote:
The language is ergative and secundative.


Chagen wrote:
The conlang has a NOM-ABSOL alignment.


Looks like some kind of inconsistency here, but it can be solved:

The language is NOM-ABS for animates, and ERG-ABS for inanimates.

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PostPosted: Tue 13 Mar 2012, 18:45 
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One of the noun cases is partitive, used, among other things, to indicate atelicity


It's simply telicity.

The conlang has no definite article, but an indefinite one.

Meaning that telicity is marked with another case, probably ACC or something, and that the partitive is used opposite that.

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PostPosted: Fri 16 Mar 2012, 04:41 
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Concrete locations are expressed with a noun with cases marked (behind = at the back of, on top of = at the top of, beneath = at the bottom of, etc.)

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PostPosted: Fri 16 Mar 2012, 15:58 
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Indefinite pronouns are based on interrogatives. (So, instead of saying 'someone' and 'something', one might say something like 'somewho' and 'somewhat')

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PostPosted: Sun 18 Mar 2012, 07:20 
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/ʎ̥/ cannot be labialized.

Review of the phonology so far:

t d̤ c ɟ̤ k g̤
tʷ d̤ʷ kʷ g̤ʷ
s ʃ ʎ̥ x
sʷ ʃʷ
ts tʃ cʎ kx
tsʷ tʃʷ
ɥ

i a ɯ ʌ ɛ
i˞ ɯ˞ ɛ˞

Allophony:

Voiceless fricatives become voiced (so /s/ becomes [z], etc.) before voiced plosives.
Possible allophonic glottal stop?

[tick] phonemic labialization on plosives, fricatives and affricates
[tick] no /cʷ/ or /ɟ̤ʷ/
[tick] only labialized affricates are /tsʷ/and /tʃʷ/
[tick] /ʎ̥/ and /x/ cannot be labialized
[tick] breathy voiced plosives
:!: phonemic pharyngealized consonants
[tick] four affricates
[tick] 3 POA for plosives and corresponding afficates. (fourth is perhaps a lateral affricate)
:!: vowel length distinction
[tick] phonemic rhotacized vowels (the rhoticized versions of /i ɯ ɛ / are the only rhotic vowels)
:!: 36 phonemes in all (~31 atm)
[tick] no /p/
[tick] no /b/
:!: no phonemic nasals (although we haven't ruled out nasals as allophones)
[tick] no phonemic rounded vowels

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PostPosted: Sun 18 Mar 2012, 11:10 
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a and ʌ can be long or short.

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PostPosted: Sun 18 Mar 2012, 11:13 
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/t/ and /s/ are the only consonants that can be pharyngealized.

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PostPosted: Sun 18 Mar 2012, 12:12 
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A word can't end in /ɥ/.

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Mar 2012, 01:46 
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The language has /ɽ/ (the Japanese R).

t d̤ c ɟ̤ k g̤
tʷ d̤ʷ kʷ g̤ʷ

s ʃ ʎ̥ x
sʷ ʃʷ

ts tʃ cʎ kx
tsʷ tʃʷ
ɽ
ɥ

i a ɯ ʌ ɛ
aː ʌː
i˞ ɯ˞ ɛ˞

Allophony:

Voiceless fricatives become voiced (so /s/ becomes [z], etc.) before voiced plosives.
Possible allophonic glottal stop?

Phonotactics:

C(C)VCC (Do you really mean C(C)VCC, or did you mean C(C)VC(C)? With a minimal structure of CVCC it would be hard to use certain sounds, and borrowed words that only ended with one consonant would require the additon of a second consonant.)
/ɥ/ cannot end a word.


[tick] phonemic labialization on plosives, fricatives and affricates
[tick] no /cʷ/ or /ɟ̤ʷ/
[tick] only labialized affricates are /tsʷ/and /tʃʷ/
[tick] /ʎ̥/ and /x/ cannot be labialized
[tick] breathy voiced plosives
[tick] phonemic pharyngealized consonants
[tick] four affricates
[tick] 3 POA for plosives and corresponding afficates. (fourth is perhaps a lateral affricate)
[tick] vowel length distinction
[tick] phonemic rhotacized vowels (the rhoticized versions of /i ɯ ɛ / are the only rhotic vowels)
[tick] 36 phonemes in all
[tick] no /p/
[tick] no /b/
[tick] no phonemic nasals (although we haven't ruled out nasals as allophones)
[tick] no phonemic rounded vowels

We've finished our phonemic inventory. We still have to work on allophony, phonotactics and stress rules.

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Mar 2012, 01:58 
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Vowel length is only contrastive in stressed syllables. Or, alternatively stated: the length distinction is neutralised in unstressed syllables.

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Mar 2012, 02:01 
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Question: do the long vowels count as separate phonemes in our lang?

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Mar 2012, 02:11 
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Phonemic vowel length for /aː ʌː/ only.



xingoxa wrote:
Question: do the long vowels count as separate phonemes in our lang?

Yes. :D

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Mar 2012, 02:29 
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Plosives are realized as nasals word-finally and after rhoticized vowels.


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PostPosted: Mon 19 Mar 2012, 05:10 
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Luple wrote:
Plosives are realized as nasals word-finally and after rhoticized vowels.


Is this a green light for scrapping the requirement that all syllables end in two consonants? I can't imagine pronouncing /tʌsd̤/ as [tʌzn].

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Mar 2012, 13:43 
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Sure.
Perhaps (C)(C)VC(C) would work better? The stricter form C(C)VCC could be kept in verb stems.


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PostPosted: Mon 19 Mar 2012, 15:54 
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Voiceless consonants are never aspirated - no [tʰ kʰ ʧʰ etc.)

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PostPosted: Tue 20 Mar 2012, 07:52 
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If you need a new verb, you form it with "to do", "to make", "to have", etc. and an object noun, so "to apologize" is "to make an apology" and "to explore" is "to do exploration".

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PostPosted: Tue 20 Mar 2012, 13:39 
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Vowels become rounded after labialized consonants and within stressed syllables. They are unrounded otherwise.


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