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What would the adjective be for someone with a MrKrov-type personality: someone who always has something negative and critical (but pithy) to say?
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Khemehekis wrote:What would the adjective be for someone with a MrKrov-type personality: someone who always has something negative and critical (but pithy) to say?
Even if MrKrov isn't here I'd still like it if we were to refrain from personal attacks on him
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qwed117 wrote:
Khemehekis wrote:What would the adjective be for someone with a MrKrov-type personality: someone who always has something negative and critical (but pithy) to say?
Even if MrKrov isn't here I'd still like it if we were to refrain from personal attacks on him
This wasn't intended as a personal attack. I'm seriously considering creating a Kankonian word to fill that wonderful gap in my language. I can't put my finger on an English equivalent.
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What about "petty"? Probably not exactly what you are looking for but I often see it used in a similar way. Definitions 1, 2 and maybe 4 of the top Urban Dictionary entry seem fitting, especially the first one I'd say?
1. making things, events, or actions normal people dismiss as trivial or insignificant into excuses to be upset, uncooperative, childish, or stubborn.

2. A person who habitually overreacts.

3. A person who is purposefully childish with the intent of illiciting a reaction (sometimes funny).

4. An immature over reaction in retaliation of an undesired outcome.
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I already have one word for petty (shifini), and another meaning of "petty" as well (nawansa, as in "petty annoyances"), but if I slightly redefine the English word this may just work.

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The adjective for grey matter is "cinereal". What is the adjective for white matter?
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Khemehekis wrote: 21 May 2018 06:56 The adjective for grey matter is "cinereal". What is the adjective for white matter?
Well, white matter is substantia alba (grey matter is substantia cinerea). I can't find a specific adjectival form for alba in the medical dictionaries I checked, but might suggest "albine" as a good contender (even though it's Italian).

Leukoaraiosis is white matter disease. I'd also suggest leucine though its only meaning apparently is a whitish amino acid. That might be too great a hurdle to overcome.
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Oh, everyone, I need an English equivalent for prepsith. Prepsith is a Kankonian verb meaning "to eat or drink [something] in the store, without or before paying for it".
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Could 'eating before paying' be 'pre-eating'?
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Khemehekis wrote: 04 Apr 2021 11:49 Oh, everyone, I need an English equivalent for prepsith. Prepsith is a Kankonian verb meaning "to eat or drink [something] in the store, without or before paying for it".
This is known as 'grazing'. It's an established term in law and economics.
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Salmoneus wrote: 04 Apr 2021 23:49
Khemehekis wrote: 04 Apr 2021 11:49 Oh, everyone, I need an English equivalent for prepsith. Prepsith is a Kankonian verb meaning "to eat or drink [something] in the store, without or before paying for it".
This is known as 'grazing'. It's an established term in law and economics.
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Khemehekis wrote: 04 Apr 2021 11:49 Oh, everyone, I need an English equivalent for prepsith. Prepsith is a Kankonian verb meaning "to eat or drink [something] in the store, without or before paying for it".
Kind of depends on the specific circumstances. Colloquially, in the US, the terms for eating a grape or bit of cauliflower from the grocery store salad bar is "sampling" or "grazing". This is obviously derived from the usual term for the eating patterns of herbivorous animals and the legal terms surrounding their feeding.

Because this is a shop and not a restaurant and the expectations surrounding payment in either place are different, legally it's called shoplifting, which is a form of larceny. Basically, you're stealing someone else's property. Improved packaging, especially for small produce items, and the pandemic have largely put paid to this kind of activity, though I'd imagine it still goes on. Every now and then you come across a seriously undersized pack of green onions and you wonder if someone hasn't been sampling those.

Obviously, eating something in a restaurant befóre paying for it is called "dining", and in real restaurants, this is simply what you do. You order, you wait, you "dine" and then you pay. ;)

If you for some reason forget all about that last step, there are many colloquial terms. Restaurants, from what I've seen, sometimes refer to these as "walkouts" or "dine and dash". There seem to be many colloquial terms for this, ranging from "doing a runner" to "beating the check". Very bad business as that check is generally paid by the server.

Legally this is a much greyer area than shoplifting. Here you're not stealing a good but rather are shirking a contractual debt. It's generally not considered a criminal act in the US, rather it's a civil matter. What it actually is and how it's dealt with varies by state. In the once great state of California, for example, it's a petty theft.

Suffice to say: English has no one word for the Kankonian concept! Not to mention, legally and colloquially these are extremely different concepts in America.

Your country, state, province, parish, country, or riding may vary.
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elemtilas wrote: 05 Apr 2021 03:42 If you for some reason forget all about that last step, there are many colloquial terms. Restaurants, from what I've seen, sometimes refer to these as "walkouts" or "dine and dash". There seem to be many colloquial terms for this, ranging from "doing a runner" to "beating the check". Very bad business as that check is generally paid by the server.

Legally this is a much greyer area than shoplifting. Here you're not stealing a good but rather are shirking a contractual debt. It's generally not considered a criminal act in the US, rather it's a civil matter. What it actually is and how it's dealt with varies by state. In the once great state of California, for example, it's a petty theft.
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nuic (Achel word)
nuikh (borrowed into Kankonian)

This is a word for "number" that's more marked than the usual word for number (bayet in Kankonian) in that it means specifically the simple, absolute number of something, as distinguished from the percentage.

E.g. While 10 million Jews in the U.S. is big as a nuikh, it's a small percentage of the total U.S. population -- 3%.
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Khemehekis wrote: 14 Aug 2021 07:38 nuic (Achel word)
nuikh (borrowed into Kankonian)

This is a word for "number" that's more marked than the usual word for number (bayet in Kankonian) in that it means specifically the simple, absolute number of something, as distinguished from the percentage.

E.g. While 10 million Jews in the U.S. is big as a nuikh, it's a small percentage of the total U.S. population -- 3%.
The English for 'number' - meaning specifically the simple, absolute number of something - is "number".
We distinguish this from the percentage by calling the latter a "percentage".

Eg. while 10 million Jews in the US is a big 'number', it's a small 'percentage' of the total US population.

Often, the word 'quantity' can be used instead, or colloquially 'amount'. It's not really confused with percentage that often, because percentages have their own word, 'percent(age)'.

[some people don't understand percentages or their significance, but this is an educational issue, not a lexical one. Similarly, many people do't understand, say, exponential growth, but it doesn't mean English doesn't have a word for it...]
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Salmoneus wrote: 14 Aug 2021 12:58 some people don't understand percentages or their significance, but this is an educational issue, not a lexical one.
Point taken.

Well, anyway, the difference between bayet and nuikh is that bayet can refer to the relative size of a number as a percentage, while nuikh specifically cannot. I guess the semantics are a little different from what we have in English.
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