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Categorizing words

Post by silvercat » Wed 06 Feb 2013, 20:22

I'm working on vocabulary building. At the moment, that means categorizing words, into things like family, food, basic verbs, etc to avoid exact repeats and work on deriving.

Which is where the trouble comes in. How do you define 'basic verb'? (Right now I'm doing anything that doesn't fall into another category). How do you categorize something like 'repeat'? How about 'miss' (opposite of 'hit') or 'stuck/stop/remain'?
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Re: Categorizing words

Post by Click » Wed 06 Feb 2013, 20:29

Why don't you categorise words as nouns, verbs, adjectives and such? [;)]
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Post by Omzinesý » Wed 06 Feb 2013, 20:42

Nouns, adjectives... are formal categories, based on the behaviour of the items.

Family, body parts, animals... are sematic categories based on the meaning of the items.
Though I think basic verbs are part of the first one.

If you cover one semantic domain, like family members, at once, then you have a coherent system of them, but if you add one word today and another next week, you end up just translating from another language.
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Re: Categorizing words

Post by silvercat » Wed 06 Feb 2013, 20:57

2-4 wrote:Why don't you categorise words as nouns, verbs, adjectives and such? [;)]
I do of course, but that doesn't help with deriving and avoiding redundant words.
Omzinesý wrote:If you cover one semantic domain, like family members, at once, then you have a coherent system of them, but if you add one word today and another next week, you end up just translating from another language.
I do a mix of both - all of family is done, all sorts of pronouns, etc, but I'm slowly adding other words. Very little means exactly the same as it does in English, so I'm not worried about that. I just have all these words I'm trying to but in categorize that just make me scratch my head.
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Re: Categorizing words

Post by Omzinesý » Wed 06 Feb 2013, 21:04

I don't know. I've made just grammars for years. I really have to try to make a lexicon.
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Post by Khemehekis » Wed 06 Feb 2013, 23:34

I have something called the Landau Core Vocabulary. It's what you seem to be looking for -- something that can get you all the basic words categorized and covered. If you PM me your email address, I'll email the entire list to you.
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Re: Categorizing words

Post by silvercat » Thu 07 Feb 2013, 19:09

Khemehekis wrote:I have something called the Landau Core Vocabulary. It's what you seem to be looking for -- something that can get you all the basic words categorized and covered. If you PM me your email address, I'll email the entire list to you.
Huh, that sounds interesting. I'll send you a PM. Thanks.
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Post by MrKrov » Thu 07 Feb 2013, 19:19

I'm incredulous you really need such a scheme and I'm incredulous he couldn't simply pm you the dubious list without invoking email.
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Post by Ànradh » Thu 07 Feb 2013, 19:32

Perhaps it's in the form of a file attachment?
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Post by Ear of the Sphinx » Thu 07 Feb 2013, 20:19

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Re: Categorizing words

Post by Khemehekis » Thu 07 Feb 2013, 23:58

MrKrov wrote:I'm incredulous you really need such a scheme and I'm incredulous he couldn't simply pm you the dubious list without invoking email.
Really? I'd be able to PM someone a list with more than 4,000 words without it saying the message is too large?
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Post by MrKrov » Fri 08 Feb 2013, 00:30

I'm inclined to think yes altho Aszev would have to confirm.
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Post by xijlwya » Sun 17 Feb 2013, 19:40

silvercat wrote:Which is where the trouble comes in. How do you define 'basic verb'? (Right now I'm doing anything that doesn't fall into another category). How do you categorize something like 'repeat'? How about 'miss' (opposite of 'hit') or 'stuck/stop/remain'?
I'd suggest to look at various thesuari as well! The one I have home offers a very well-structured approach to semantic categories. Unfortunately the only ones only have search functions - I somehow couldn't find one that lets you browse through the categories. Also, I'm not anywhere near my home right now... so I have no access to my thesaurus.
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Re: Categorizing words

Post by Khemehekis » Thu 24 Oct 2013, 04:19

MrKrov wrote:I'm inclined to think yes altho Aszev would have to confirm.
Well, I guess this settles it:

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Re: Categorizing words

Post by MrKrov » Thu 24 Oct 2013, 05:08

I commend you on your timelyness. Just send two pms then.
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Re: Categorizing words

Post by Khemehekis » Fri 25 Oct 2013, 23:47

MrKrov wrote:I commend you on your timelyness.

For clarification: I sent Silvercat my email a long time ago. It's just that a few days ago, Benjamino, a new user, sent me a PM asking for the LCV and I tried PM'ing it to him, as you suggested.
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