Indo-European diachronic collablang

[Artaxes]

Hi, I got idea with a conlang created by common propositions and votings, smilarly to Proto-Nautli, but derived from Proto-Indo-European.

Firstly, we go with sound changes from the protolanguage and creation of phonemic inventory.

If here are some interested users, I welcome in the game !

First question:

a). Clearly satemic: ḱ → fricative, k → k, kʷ → k
b). Mixed: ḱ → fricative, k → k, kʷ → kʷ
c). Centum: ḱ → k, k → k, kʷ → kʷ

[Omzinesý]

Do you mean that ALL palatals become fricatives/velars?

I'm for a satem lang!

[Artaxes]

ḱ → t͡s~s c͡ç~ç ʃ
ǵ → d͡z~z ɟ͡ʝ~ʝ ʒ
ǵʰ → ? [I prefer to debate the aspirated plosives in a next voting, the second would be on true nature of palatovelars' descendants]

[Boehijt]

I'm also for a satem lang, I vote a.

[Artaxes]

I'm personally voting rather for b) than for a).

[kanejam]

I'll vote b as well, but why do you say fricative rather than affricate?

I'll propose d -> d, dh -> t, t -> t for the next round of voting, which I don't think happened anywhere.

[Omzinesý]

I'm for b) as well. I like labiovelars.

[zyma]

Another vote for b).

[qwed117]

B)

[DesEsseintes]

B, without a doubt.

[Artaxes]

6:1 for B.

Win: Mixed strategy.

Next rounds:

2. How should be look the palatovelars' reflexes ?

a). ç ʝ
b). ʃ ʒ
c). s z
d). θ ð
d). we stay with an affricate stage (c͡ç~t͡ʃ~t͡s~t͡θ)

3. What we do with aspirated plosives ?

a). Indic way: TH Dʰ → Tʰ Dʰ
b). Italic way: Dʰ → Tʰ- D
c). Hellenic way: Dʰ → Tʰ
d). Thraco-Germanic way: plosive shift - T D Dʰ → Tʰ~Θ T D
e). "Central" way: D Dʰ → D

[cedh]

2. How should be look the palatovelars' reflexes ?

a). ç ʝ
b). ʃ ʒ
c). s z
d). θ ð
e). we stay with an affricate stage (c͡ç~t͡ʃ~t͡s~t͡θ)

e), specifically t͡s d͡z.

3. What we do with aspirated plosives ?

a). Indic way: TH Dʰ → Tʰ Dʰ
b). Italic way: Dʰ → Tʰ- D
c). Hellenic way: Dʰ → Tʰ
d). Thraco-Germanic way: plosive shift - T D Dʰ → Tʰ~Θ T D
e). "Central" way: D Dʰ → D

f): T D Dʰ → T T D

[kanejam]

2. How should be look the palatovelars' reflexes ?

a). ç ʝ
b). ʃ ʒ
c). s z
d). θ ð
e). we stay with an affricate stage (c͡ç~t͡ʃ~t͡s~t͡θ)

e), specifically t͡s d͡z.

I agree, although it could always become (d) later on, as in Albanian. We could also go the Albanian route and get a tʃ dʒ out of the labiovelars.

3. What we do with aspirated plosives ?

a). Indic way: TH Dʰ → Tʰ Dʰ
b). Italic way: Dʰ → Tʰ- D
c). Hellenic way: Dʰ → Tʰ
d). Thraco-Germanic way: plosive shift - T D Dʰ → Tʰ~Θ T D
e). "Central" way: D Dʰ → D

f): T D Dʰ → T T D[/quote]
I will reiterate my earlier proposal of T D Dʰ → T D T, but really I just want to do one that's different from what's been done before, so I'll go with cedh's option if other people go for it. (I'll also nitpick that there's no evidence of Dʰ → Tʰ in Italic; it possibly went Dʰ → Θ but I like to think Dʰ → Đ was more likely).

[Artaxes]

2. How should be look the palatovelars' reflexes ?

a). ç ʝ
b). ʃ ʒ
c). s z
d). θ ð
e). we stay with an affricate stage (c͡ç~t͡ʃ~t͡s~t͡θ)

2.d

3. What we do with aspirated plosives ?

a). Indic way: TH Dʰ → Tʰ Dʰ
b). Italic way: Dʰ → Tʰ- D
c). Hellenic way: Dʰ → Tʰ
d). Thraco-Germanic way: plosive shift - T D Dʰ → Tʰ~Θ T D
e). "Central" way: D Dʰ → D
f): T D Dʰ → T T D

3.d or 3.f (This is also interesting proposal).

[qwed117]

2 (edit, e), 3.f

[zyma]

2. How should be look the palatovelars' reflexes ?

a). ç ʝ
b). ʃ ʒ
c). s z
d). θ ð
d). we stay with an affricate stage (c͡ç~t͡ʃ~t͡s~t͡θ)

3. What we do with aspirated plosives ?

a). Indic way: TH Dʰ → Tʰ Dʰ
b). Italic way: Dʰ → Tʰ- D
c). Hellenic way: Dʰ → Tʰ
d). Thraco-Germanic way: plosive shift - T D Dʰ → Tʰ~Θ T D
e). "Central" way: D Dʰ → D

Edit: For #3, I'd also be fine with either of the alternate proposals not listed on the post I quoted.

[qwed117]

Current round:
2)Reflex of the palatovelars
A:0
B:0
C:0
D:2
E:4
Nomination:
tʃ dʒ :1
3)Aspirated Plosives
A:1
B:0
C:0
D:1
E:0
Nomination:
TTD:5
TDT:2

[Artaxes]

Qwed, there were Palatovelars ;).

We got play-off within the second question ? So I uphold my vote for /θ ð/.

4. Labiovelars:

a). Unchanged /kʷ gʷ/
b). /kʷ gʷ → p b/

5. RUKI law

a). applied
b). not applied

6. "Thorn" clusters:

Spoiler:

tḱ _V
tḱ _C

tǵ _V
tǵ _C

dḱ _V
dḱ _C

dǵʰ _V
dǵʰ _C

dʰǵʰ _V
dʰǵʰ _C

dʰǵ _V
dʰǵ _C

tkʷ _V
tkʷ _C

tgʷ _V
tgʷ _C

dkʷ _V
dkʷ _C

dgʷʰ _V
dgʷʰ _C

dʰgʷʰ _V
dʰgʷʰ _C

dʰgʷ _V
dʰgʷ _C

tk _V
tk _C

tg _V
tg _C

dk _V
dk _C

dg _V
dg _C

a). Unchanged or preserved to later stage, when would be eaten by another sound changes (Tocharian)
a). First element of "thorn" cluster is deleted: TK → K (Balto-Slavic)
b). Simple metathesis: TK → KT
c). Metathesis with "thorn" stage: TK → KΘ
d). Something similar, but other

7. Laryngeal reduction (stage I):

a). Merger of some or all laryngeals into two or one phonem.
b). Unmergered laryngeals

[qwed117]

Woah, that's too much
How 'bout we start with 4 and 5
4) (Nomination;θ̼ ɠʷ ;wrong choice earlier )
5) Sure, why not.
6) d
7) b

[zyma]

Wait, sorry, but what were the results of questions 2 and 3?

Edit: Was that the purpose of qwed117's post above? I would have expected Artaxes, the person who started the game, to be the one in charge of posting results like that. Well, whatever, really… I guess we still have to decide which affricates we'll be going with for question 2.

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4: a
5: b
6: c (the fourth option)
7: a