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Re: Interesting Ideas

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shimobaatar wrote:
qwed117 wrote:
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shimobaatar wrote:This is a wonderful idea for a thread! I won't comment on previous ideas, other than that many of them are brilliant and deserve to be developed, and that some of them have reminded me of ideas of my own (mostly a posteriori):
  • A modern descendant of Venetic.
  • A modern Tyrsenian language/descendant of Etruscan.
  • A modern descendant of Gothic.
  • An alternative descendant of Old High German.
  • An alternative descendant of Old English.
  • A future descendant of General American English.
  • A South Germanic branch in northern Italy.
  • An Alpine Romance branch in Austria.
  • A new branch of Indo-European in the Carpathian Mountains.
More will probably be added to this list in the future.

I also have had ideas for an entire conworld where the Italic languages other than Latin don't go extinct and instead spread to the rest of Europe with Latin, but at the same time, the West and East Germanic branches go extinct, and are replaced by North Germanic languages.
  • North Germanic Dutch, Anglo-Frisian, Low German, High German, etc.
  • North Germanic Gothic, Vandalic, Burgundian, etc.
  • Faliscan Romance languages.
  • Sabellian Romance languages.

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Anything in particular you're responding to?
I'm certain he's just responding to the sum totality of awesomeness!

Particularly if "An alternative descendant of Old English" doesn't also happen to be Scots!

I'd certainly like to see a Modern Gothic, as well as novel branches of IE.
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elemtilas wrote: I'm certain he's just responding to the sum totality of awesomeness!

Particularly if "An alternative descendant of Old English" doesn't also happen to be Scots!

I'd certainly like to see a Modern Gothic, as well as novel branches of IE.
Thank you!

Haha, no, I can assure you I didn't mean Scots. [:P]

I had the idea for a Modern Gothic quite recently due to a new book I've acquired, so I might start working on that more now. As for the new branch of IE, I don't think I'll start work on my own at least until things are back up and running in the PIE descendant collablang thread.
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elemtilas wrote:
shimobaatar wrote:
qwed117 wrote:
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shimobaatar wrote:This is a wonderful idea for a thread! I won't comment on previous ideas, other than that many of them are brilliant and deserve to be developed, and that some of them have reminded me of ideas of my own (mostly a posteriori):
  • A modern descendant of Venetic.
  • A modern Tyrsenian language/descendant of Etruscan.
  • A modern descendant of Gothic.
  • An alternative descendant of Old High German.
  • An alternative descendant of Old English.
  • A future descendant of General American English.
  • A South Germanic branch in northern Italy.
  • An Alpine Romance branch in Austria.
  • A new branch of Indo-European in the Carpathian Mountains.
More will probably be added to this list in the future.

I also have had ideas for an entire conworld where the Italic languages other than Latin don't go extinct and instead spread to the rest of Europe with Latin, but at the same time, the West and East Germanic branches go extinct, and are replaced by North Germanic languages.
  • North Germanic Dutch, Anglo-Frisian, Low German, High German, etc.
  • North Germanic Gothic, Vandalic, Burgundian, etc.
  • Faliscan Romance languages.
  • Sabellian Romance languages.

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Anything in particular you're responding to?
I'm certain he's just responding to the sum totality of awesomeness!

Particularly if "An alternative descendant of Old English" doesn't also happen to be Scots!

I'd certainly like to see a Modern Gothic, as well as novel branches of IE.
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Lambuzhao wrote:
Ælfwine wrote:
shimobaatar wrote: [*]A modern descendant of Gothic.
I'd like to see the modern descendent of Gothic. [:D] I have a few ideas of my own. (Not that I'd steal any of yours...well maybe a bit. Hehe.)

Message me.
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Damien Perrotin, A Small Gutisk Grammar (with a very humble name!)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4-qv8 ... ef=2&pli=1

A few of us tried working on another modern dialect collaboratively; there's still evidences on this forum.

Try contacting members Arskoul and Aeluro for more info.

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Shimo and I both had the idea to set the location in Visigothic Spain, so it would be romance Germlangs. Despite this, I'd definitely take a look at Gutesc, from a cursory glance it seems to have more of a northern Germanic influence - but that's not bad! And I'd definitely contact them.

Vowel Ideas:
Spoiler:
o: u > o
e: i > e
e ɛ: > ɛ
o ɔ: > ɔ
ɔ > ɔ
ɛ > ɛ
i: > i
u: > u
a a: > a

Viola! A perfect Western Latin vowel system.

Diphthongs would probably remain as they are.

Some other diphthongs might come about via elision of intervocalic /h/.
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Ælfwine wrote: Shimo and I both had the idea to set the location in Visigothic Spain, so it would be romance Germlangs. Despite this, I'd definitely take a look at Gutesc, from a cursory glance it seems to have more of a northern Germanic influence - but that's not bad! And I'd definitely contact them.

Vowel Ideas:
Spoiler:
o: u > o
e: i > e
e ɛ: > ɛ
o ɔ: > ɔ
i: > i
u: > u
a a: > a

Viola! A perfect Western Latin vowel system.

Diphthongs would probably remain as they are.

Some other diphthongs might come about via elision of intervocalic /h/.
I'll definitely have to take a look at those links as well. As I may have said before, I like how similar yet distinct our ideas for vowel changes have been.
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A South Germanic branch in northern Italy.

What would South Germanic look like?
An Alpine Romance branch in Austria.

Romlangs with High German consonant shift, like Roman Germanech and Jelbäzech?
Sabellian Romance languages.

I remember seeing New Oscan on ZBB, called Savvinic.
A future descendant of General American English.

That has been overdone.
A modern Tyrsenian language/descendant of Etruscan.
That'd be marvelous if set in Corsica and/or Sardinia.
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Zythros Jubi wrote:
A South Germanic branch in northern Italy.

What would South Germanic look like?
I've only had the most basic ideas for a South Germanic branch, but I guess I imagine it looking something like the Gallo-Romance languages, but with even more Germanic elements.
Zythros Jubi wrote:
An Alpine Romance branch in Austria.

Romlangs with High German consonant shift, like Roman Germanech and Jelbäzech?
I hadn't considered that for this idea.
Zythros Jubi wrote:
Sabellian Romance languages.

I remember seeing New Oscan on ZBB, called Savvinic.
Savvinic is very well made and inspirational, but that doesn't mean someone else couldn't do a descendant of Oscan, Umbrian, or another related language.
Zythros Jubi wrote:
A future descendant of General American English.

That has been overdone.
With all due respect, I'll make one if I want to. It doesn't matter to me if you think they're overdone.
Zythros Jubi wrote:
A modern Tyrsenian language/descendant of Etruscan.
That'd be marvelous if set in Corsica and/or Sardinia.
That wasn't the plan, but that could be interesting.
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I really want to do an agglutinating Norse-Greenlandic language, but I am already working on two other Germanic conlangs. [xD]
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-A romlang or isolate influenced by romlangs with only three vowels (a, i, u).
- A modern version of an East Germanic language
- A language that uses pitch accent to mark verb tenses and noun genders.
-Gender based on young vs old.
- A language that only allows unvoiced consonants to appear together and voiced consonants appear separately. A sort of consonant harmony, you could say.
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Ælfwine wrote:I really want to do an agglutinating Norse-Greenlandic language, but I am already working on two other Germanic conlangs. [xD]
An agglutinating Germanic language? That would be cool.


-A language derived from Old Frankish but with the sound changes (and probably grammatical changes) of French.
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LinguoFranco wrote:-A romlang or isolate influenced by romlangs with only three vowels (a, i, u).
Have a look at the collabromlang.
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Creyeditor wrote:
LinguoFranco wrote:-A romlang or isolate influenced by romlangs with only three vowels (a, i, u).
Have a look at the collabromlang.
Heeeeyyy come on!! [}:(] [xP]

(Mazarabi) (Also this aught to prove that the idea ain't that implausible).
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Ælfwine wrote:I really want to do an agglutinating Norse-Greenlandic language, but I am already working on two other Germanic conlangs. [xD]
That would be awesome to see, but I know what you mean about not wanting to work on too many projects at once, especially when those projects all belong to the same family.
LinguoFranco wrote:-A romlang or isolate influenced by romlangs with only three vowels (a, i, u).
- A modern version of an East Germanic language
- A language that uses pitch accent to mark verb tenses and noun genders.
-Gender based on young vs old.
- A language that only allows unvoiced consonants to appear together and voiced consonants appear separately. A sort of consonant harmony, you could say.
Maybe the Romlang could be based in North Africa? Just a thought. Which East Germanic language do you want to make a modern version of, if you've decided yet. All cool ideas, by the way!
HoskhMatriarch wrote:-A language derived from Old Frankish but with the sound changes (and probably grammatical changes) of French.
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Some of them, they might be not interesting:

- a language "spoken" by octopus that uses shapes and patterns as its phonology
- an IAL based on Hiri Motu or other lesser known languages
- a language based on more "exotic" means like lengths of different electromagnetic waves(might be an explanation of Telepathy), combination pheromones(a potential language of sapient ants), whistles(think of Silbe Gomero), etc.
- tonal, Chinese-like High German dialects
- conlang(better a priori ones)-based program languages
- a Romance language that is spoken in Central or East Asia whose speakers are alleged to be the people of Presbyter John
- the emergence and disappearance of clicks in the evolution of languages
- diachronic descendants of Lojban
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k1234567890y wrote:Some of them, they might be not interesting:

- a language "spoken" by octopus that uses shapes and patterns as its phonology
There was this alienlang, that got a smiley award. It used something like this, but I forgot it's name.
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Creyeditor wrote:
k1234567890y wrote:Some of them, they might be not interesting:

- a language "spoken" by octopus that uses shapes and patterns as its phonology
There was this alienlang, that got a smiley award. It used something like this, but I forgot it's name.
ok nice (:

btw, I do also have had an idea to make a Discordlang - a language based on Discord emoticons, I think Discord may have an enough large quantity of emoticons to make a language...
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Creyeditor wrote:
k1234567890y wrote:Some of them, they might be not interesting:

- a language "spoken" by octopus that uses shapes and patterns as its phonology
There was this alienlang, that got a smiley award. It used something like this, but I forgot it's name.
Rikchik, I believe.

(and, in case anyone wants a link to it - http://dedalvs.conlang.org/smileys/2012.html )
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Keenir wrote:
Creyeditor wrote:
k1234567890y wrote:Some of them, they might be not interesting:

- a language "spoken" by octopus that uses shapes and patterns as its phonology
There was this alienlang, that got a smiley award. It used something like this, but I forgot it's name.
Rikchik, I believe.

(and, in case anyone wants a link to it - http://dedalvs.conlang.org/smileys/2012.html )
I have seen them before, they are cool cephaloid-looking aliens (:

how about making a language where the base is not completely fixed, as it has a numeral system evolved from an extended body-part system( http://wals.info/chapter/131 )? (:
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I've been toying with the idea of making a conlang without any vowels.
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Ebon wrote:I've been toying with the idea of making a conlang without any vowels.
OuO

you can try (: there are some analyses of some natural languages suggesting that they have no vowels at all, however, some other analyses show that they have vowels, and they have more than one vowels in those analyses suggesting the existence of vowels.
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