Lat. servus -> VLat. sɛrvʊs -> West-Romance sɛrvos
If I want definite masculine nominatives/absolutives to have /u/, should I actually use the Sardinian vowel system where Latin vowels just lose their length?
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Or you could have some degree of tensing in th w back vowels. That being said, it's more likely that that happens in the frontOmzinesý wrote:Lat. servus -> VLat. sɛrvʊs -> West-Romance sɛrvos
If I want definite masculine nominatives/absolutives to have /u/, should I actually use the Sardinian vowel system where Latin vowels just lose their length?
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Sorry I formulated my problem badly.qwed117 wrote:Or you could have some degree of tensing in th w back vowels. That being said, it's more likely that that happens in the frontOmzinesý wrote:Lat. servus -> VLat. -> West-Romance sɛrvos
If I want definite masculine nominatives/absolutives to have /u/, should I actually use the Sardinian vowel system where Latin vowels just lose their length?
I just want to keep the nominative distinct from the dative.
In Vulgar Latin o: and ʊ are merged.
Of course those grammatical endings can just behave differently or one of them can be affected by the definite suffix articles.
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Nasal consonants tend to lower. If nasality is still contrastive in Vulgar Latin, then before it is lost you could go an extra step and lower õ > ɑ̃.Omzinesý wrote:Sorry I formulated my problem badly.qwed117 wrote:Or you could have some degree of tensing in th w back vowels. That being said, it's more likely that that happens in the frontOmzinesý wrote:Lat. servus -> VLat. -> West-Romance sɛrvos
If I want definite masculine nominatives/absolutives to have /u/, should I actually use the Sardinian vowel system where Latin vowels just lose their length?
I just want to keep the nominative distinct from the dative.
In Vulgar Latin o: and ʊ are merged.
Of course those grammatical endings can just behave differently or one of them can be affected by the definite suffix articles.
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It's not contrastive in VL. The best option is to choose either a Sardinian (all length lost) or Eastern vowel system (o:>o, u:>u, e>i, i:>i).Ælfwine wrote:Nasal consonants tend to lower. If nasality is still contrastive in Vulgar Latin, then before it is lost you could go an extra step and lower õ > ɑ̃.Omzinesý wrote:Sorry I formulated my problem badly.qwed117 wrote:Or you could have some degree of tensing in th w back vowels. That being said, it's more likely that that happens in the frontOmzinesý wrote:Lat. servus -> VLat. -> West-Romance sɛrvos
If I want definite masculine nominatives/absolutives to have /u/, should I actually use the Sardinian vowel system where Latin vowels just lose their length?
I just want to keep the nominative distinct from the dative.
In Vulgar Latin o: and ʊ are merged.
Of course those grammatical endings can just behave differently or one of them can be affected by the definite suffix articles.
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I think it's the easiest to condition the change with the suffix articles:
The nominative:
Lat. servus ille -> V.Lat sɛrvo el -> sɛrvo-el -> sɛrvu-el (rising before another vewel) -> sɛrvu (loss of the old article in some syntctic contexts)
The dative:
Lat. servo: illo: -> V.Lat. sɛrvo lo -> sɛrvo (loss of the old article in some syntactic contexts)
Pl.nom.
Lat. servi: illi: -> V.Lat sɛrvi li ->sɛrvi (loss of the article)
Pl.dat.
Lat. Servi:s illorum -> V.lat sɛrvi lor -> sɛrvɨ lor (backing of i and e when a back vowel follows) -> sɛrvɨ (loss of the article )
The nominative:
Lat. servus ille -> V.Lat sɛrvo el -> sɛrvo-el -> sɛrvu-el (rising before another vewel) -> sɛrvu (loss of the old article in some syntctic contexts)
The dative:
Lat. servo: illo: -> V.Lat. sɛrvo lo -> sɛrvo (loss of the old article in some syntactic contexts)
Pl.nom.
Lat. servi: illi: -> V.Lat sɛrvi li ->sɛrvi (loss of the article)
Pl.dat.
Lat. Servi:s illorum -> V.lat sɛrvi lor -> sɛrvɨ lor (backing of i and e when a back vowel follows) -> sɛrvɨ (loss of the article )
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I have a new idea.
Vulgar-Latin /s/ is backed -> /S/ in all contexts.
/k/ -> /s/ in front-vocalic contexts, as it does in West-Romance. This frequency of /S/ gives the language a nice flavour. It also makes writing look Hungarian.
I just have to check how it affects the whole consonant system.
Vulgar-Latin /s/ is backed -> /S/ in all contexts.
/k/ -> /s/ in front-vocalic contexts, as it does in West-Romance. This frequency of /S/ gives the language a nice flavour. It also makes writing look Hungarian.
I just have to check how it affects the whole consonant system.
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