Quick Diachronics Challenge
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Based on your hints I tried to figure out which languages are possibly related by comparing the number of possible routes from one language to the other.
This lead me to the following grouping, which is really not based on similarity, only on the number of possible routes. One possibly route is a major subfamily border, two possible routes is a minor boundary. I then went on to reconstruct the forms bottom up and this lead me to my guess. I feel it's worse than the first one.
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Kinda would want to know, where do y'all place the urheimat?
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qwed117 wrote:Kinda would want to know, where do y'all place the urheimat?
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qwed117 wrote:Kinda would want to know, where do y'all place the urheimat?
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Sangi is almost 100% on with the grouping. Just switch one word in group 8 with one in group 4, and you should be there.
Proto-word wise, no one has really gotten any much better. So I'll give reconstructed phonology:
/m n ŋ/
/p t k q b d g ʔ/
/r s j w/
/a ɛ e i u ɔ o/
/aː uː/
/aːɪ̯ aːʊ̯ uːɪ̯/
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Proto-word wise, no one has really gotten any much better. So I'll give reconstructed phonology:
/m n ŋ/
/p t k q b d g ʔ/
/r s j w/
/a ɛ e i u ɔ o/
/aː uː/
/aːɪ̯ aːʊ̯ uːɪ̯/
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I had a *q or *ɢ in mind for the initial consonant, so since it's confirmed in the proto-lang phonology, I guess the word was:
Feel free to disregard my guess when announcing the winner as I realise I have joined quite late and after some hints have been given!
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So, just for the sake of completeness, my third guess is *ʔaːden
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I'll post something more expansive tomorrow, but right now I'm stuck at connecting the /ŋail/ branch with anything else.
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We've got all the right phonemes, just not the right combinations of them.
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I'm willing to reveal the answer, since the major ideas have all been given. Jimydog was the closest at first, with *kayzen. Sangi's grouping was pretty accurate. Davush pieced together the bits that nobody else had, but didn't do well on the parts that were already correct.
The word was *qa:isel (for the purposes of this, I considered both s and z the same; they're intervocalic allophones). I'm going to give this to Jimydog for now...
The word was *qa:isel (for the purposes of this, I considered both s and z the same; they're intervocalic allophones). I'm going to give this to Jimydog for now...
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So intervocalic fortition was the key change most of us missed, right?
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qwed117 wrote:Sangi is almost 100% on with the grouping. Just switch one word in group 8 with one in group 4, and you should be there.
Proto-word wise, no one has really gotten any much better. So I'll give reconstructed phonology:
/m n ŋ/
/p t k q b d g ʔ/
/r s j w/
/a ɛ e i u ɔ o/
/aː uː/
/aːɪ̯ aːʊ̯ uːɪ̯/
You mention no /l/ in the phonology.qwed117 wrote:The word was *qa:isel
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Welp, ok, I'll think up the next challenge
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*/ɣɛ̃çəl/'s nasal vowel did come from a pharyngealized consonant right?
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That's the reason I switched to a final *n despite reasoning against it earlier, otherwise I would have gone with *qa:idel.jimydog000 wrote:qwed117 wrote:Sangi is almost 100% on with the grouping. Just switch one word in group 8 with one in group 4, and you should be there.
Proto-word wise, no one has really gotten any much better. So I'll give reconstructed phonology:
/m n ŋ/
/p t k q b d g ʔ/
/r s j w/
/a ɛ e i u ɔ o/
/aː uː/
/aːɪ̯ aːʊ̯ uːɪ̯/You mention no /l/ in the phonology.qwed117 wrote:The word was *qa:isel
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I can't believe I forgot to put *l I guess that does make jimydog spot on then, since he had implicated *qayzen.sangi39 wrote:That's the reason I switched to a final *n despite reasoning against it earlier, otherwise I would have gone with *qa:idel.jimydog000 wrote:qwed117 wrote:Sangi is almost 100% on with the grouping. Just switch one word in group 8 with one in group 4, and you should be there.
Proto-word wise, no one has really gotten any much better. So I'll give reconstructed phonology:
/m n ŋ/
/p t k q b d g ʔ/
/r s j w/
/a ɛ e i u ɔ o/
/aː uː/
/aːɪ̯ aːʊ̯ uːɪ̯/You mention no /l/ in the phonology.qwed117 wrote:The word was *qa:isel
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Qwazy Qwedqwed117 wrote:I can't believe I forgot to put *lsangi39 wrote:That's the reason I switched to a final *n despite reasoning against it earlier, otherwise I would have gone with *qa:idel.jimydog000 wrote:qwed117 wrote:Sangi is almost 100% on with the grouping. Just switch one word in group 8 with one in group 4, and you should be there.
Proto-word wise, no one has really gotten any much better. So I'll give reconstructed phonology:
/m n ŋ/
/p t k q b d g ʔ/
/r s j w/
/a ɛ e i u ɔ o/
/aː uː/
/aːɪ̯ aːʊ̯ uːɪ̯/You mention no /l/ in the phonology.qwed117 wrote:The word was *qa:isel
You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
But it never gets any more true,
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That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.