Quick Diachronics Challenge
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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge
I am going to reply a bit to Sangi's post, because it was so interesting to read and so detailed. Everyone feel free to read it or ignore it.
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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge
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You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge
First hint:
Inventory
/m n t k d g/
/f s z h/
/w j r/
/a i o u/
(This should simplify a lot of the speculation)
Sangi is the closest, so far.
Inventory
/m n t k d g/
/f s z h/
/w j r/
/a i o u/
(This should simplify a lot of the speculation)
Sangi is the closest, so far.
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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge
Oh wow, I wasn't expecting that inventory. I'm about to head to bed, certainly soon enough that I'll not have enough time to give this some real though, but my preliminary reconciliation would be *koisan ~ *koizan
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So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge
Here is my second guess:
Proto-Word: *kairion
Proto-Word: *kairion
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Spoiler:
You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge
An interesting race. Let's see who will be closer this time
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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge
Sangi's very close,
Next hint:
According to Wikipedia,
"Although not as typical of sound change as lenition, fortition may occur in prominent positions, such as at the beginning of a word or stressed syllable; as an effect of reducing markedness; or due to morphological leveling."
Next hint:
According to Wikipedia,
"Although not as typical of sound change as lenition, fortition may occur in prominent positions, such as at the beginning of a word or stressed syllable; as an effect of reducing markedness; or due to morphological leveling."
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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge
With this hint my next guess would be fairon, although this would mean word initial voicing, which I do not really like that much.
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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge
Spoiler:
You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge
And another option would of course be *gairon, but this is actually not my guess. I find it unconvincing.
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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge
Looks like I'm saying *gaizon then
You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge
So, *gaizon was the correct proto-word?
Would you mind sharing how the word developed and how the languages are related, if you have time?
You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge
I'm assuming it's correct, then, and here's a new challenge
You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge
Here is my guess. The grouping is probably a bit far off, but I am pretty satisfied with my proto-word, for a first guess at least. Oh and sorry for the fancy brushes.
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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge
Are the words [ˈk'uol], [ˈq'aur], [ˈqɔːar], and [ˈʔauʁ] monosyllabic or disyllabic? I tried giving this a go, but I got caught up on that.
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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge
Monosyllabic Good luck!shimobaatar wrote: ↑06 Aug 2018 23:00 Are the words [ˈk'uol], [ˈq'aur], [ˈqɔːar], and [ˈʔauʁ] monosyllabic or disyllabic? I tried giving this a go, but I got caught up on that.
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You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge
I'll respond to Creyeditor's guess for the moment, since it's been a few days:
Spoiler:
You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.