Learran
Re: Learran
Well there have been no comments since, so I'll guess I'll go onto verbs now.
1st Conjugation
Cëntare "to sing" - Infinitive
Cëntatu - Participle
Cëntëdu - Gerund
Present
Cëntu - 1SG
Cënţe - 2SG
Cëntă - 3SG
Cëntamo - 1PL
Cëntaţi - 2PL
Cëntăn - 3PL
Imperfect
Cëntăm - 1SG
Cëntai - 2SG
Cënta - 3SG
Cëntoamo - 1PL
Cëntoaţi - 2PL
Cëntăn - 3PL
Pluperfect
Cëntame - 1SG
Cëntaşi - 2SG
Cëntase - 3SG
Cëntaseamo -1PL
Cëntaseaţi - 2PL
Cëntasïn - 3PL
Future
Cëntoł - 1SG
Cënţïli - 2SG
Cëntuele - 3SG
Cëntăłemo - 1PL
Cëntăłeţi -2PL
Cënţoalën -3PL
Subjunctive
Cënţe - 1SG
Cënţi - 2SG
Cënţe - 3SG
Cënţemo - 1PL
Cënţeţi - 2PL
Cënţën - 3PL
Not finished
1st Conjugation
Cëntare "to sing" - Infinitive
Cëntatu - Participle
Cëntëdu - Gerund
Present
Cëntu - 1SG
Cënţe - 2SG
Cëntă - 3SG
Cëntamo - 1PL
Cëntaţi - 2PL
Cëntăn - 3PL
Imperfect
Cëntăm - 1SG
Cëntai - 2SG
Cënta - 3SG
Cëntoamo - 1PL
Cëntoaţi - 2PL
Cëntăn - 3PL
Pluperfect
Cëntame - 1SG
Cëntaşi - 2SG
Cëntase - 3SG
Cëntaseamo -1PL
Cëntaseaţi - 2PL
Cëntasïn - 3PL
Future
Cëntoł - 1SG
Cënţïli - 2SG
Cëntuele - 3SG
Cëntăłemo - 1PL
Cëntăłeţi -2PL
Cënţoalën -3PL
Subjunctive
Cënţe - 1SG
Cënţi - 2SG
Cënţe - 3SG
Cënţemo - 1PL
Cënţeţi - 2PL
Cënţën - 3PL
Not finished
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Re: Learran
What's the etymology of those forms?qwed117 wrote:Well there have been no comments since, so I'll guess I'll go onto verbs now.
1st Conjugation
Cëntare "to sing" - Infinitive
Cëntatu - Participle
Cëntëdu - Gerund
Present
Cëntu - 1SG
Cënţe - 2SG
Cëntă - 3SG
Cëntamo - 1PL
Cëntaţi - 2PL
Cëntăn - 3PL
Imperfect
Cëntăm - 1SG
Cëntai - 2SG
Cënta - 3SG
Cëntoamo - 1PL
Cëntoaţi - 2PL
Cëntăn - 3PL
Pluperfect
Cëntame - 1SG
Cëntaşi - 2SG
Cëntase - 3SG
Cëntaseamo -1PL
Cëntaseaţi - 2PL
Cëntasïn - 3PL
Future
Cëntoł - 1SG
Cënţïli - 2SG
Cëntuele - 3SG
Cëntăłemo - 1PL
Cëntăłeţi -2PL
Cënţoalën -3PL
Subjunctive
Cënţe - 1SG
Cënţi - 2SG
Cënţe - 3SG
Cënţemo - 1PL
Cënţeţi - 2PL
Cënţën - 3PL
Not finished
How are yhey used? Is the difference between the inperfect and perfect perfectivity?
There is no complex perfect?
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Re: Learran
Well, for the most part, they come from original Latin tenses. The main exception to this is the future, which comes from verb+voleo. I'm not sure if I like that though.Omzinesý wrote:What's the etymology of those forms?Spoiler:
How are yhey used? Is the difference between the inperfect and perfect perfectivity?
There is no complex perfect?
They're used much like the other Romance languages. There is a difference between perfects and imperfects, but I haven't completed the perfective tenses yet, as I'm still deciding how they'll be formed.
I haven't worked on any complex tenses, sorry.
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Re: Learran
So, Aero- (Click here) suggested a past conlang relay text to translate, so I'm translating a portion of the text of Relay #7
Me u dă ołătarmă u ţi por momentunu, ën tuşëri jocłi, tusuru cord, tusëru veaţă
[me‿ʊ̯ də oʎətarmə‿ʊ̯ t͡si poːɾ momentunu ɨn tuʃɨri jokʎi tusuru koːrd tuʃɨru ve̯at͡sə]
Let me look at you for a moment, into your eyes, your heart, your life.
Me u dă ołătarmă u ţi por momentunu, ën tuşëri jocłi, tusuru cord, tusëru veaţă
[me‿ʊ̯ də oʎətarmə‿ʊ̯ t͡si poːɾ momentunu ɨn tuʃɨri jokʎi tusuru koːrd tuʃɨru ve̯at͡sə]
Let me look at you for a moment, into your eyes, your heart, your life.
Edit: Removed a final e in the orthography designed to designate long vowels. The orthography doesn't recognize long vowels anymore
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Re: Learran
Egerius asked me to translate the Lord's Prayer. This will be the last translation for Learran unfortunately. I'm not continuing it.
Babăl Nustru
Babăl Nustru, care iști ën ţëlunu
Ţeaffatu seruele tusuru ņomïn
Remnu tusuru vjene
Faftu seruele vołă tusëru prïcum ţërășa
așa șu pre tsëlusu.
Dă no pane nustru de toată z̧iase
Eu łërtă măftu nustru
așa preu łërtamo măftutor nustru
Eu ne dueţe no pre ën ëftăţone
Cłau libërtă no de ru.
Babăl Nustru
Babăl Nustru, care iști ën ţëlunu
Ţeaffatu seruele tusuru ņomïn
Remnu tusuru vjene
Faftu seruele vołă tusëru prïcum ţërășa
așa șu pre tsëlusu.
Dă no pane nustru de toată z̧iase
Eu łërtă măftu nustru
așa preu łërtamo măftutor nustru
Eu ne dueţe no pre ën ëftăţone
Cłau libërtă no de ru.
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Edit: Orthographic change; ë is the representation for /ɨ/, not ï.
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Re: Learran
Looks nice, qwed.qwed117 wrote:Egerius asked me to translate the Lord's Prayer.
Babăl Nostru
Babăl Nustru...
Is it nostru, nustru, free variation, or is sth else going on?
This will be the last translation for Learran unfortunately. I'm not continuing it.
Shame.
Why don't you just set it aside for now, work on other things, and come back to it later?
Re: Learran
Yeah, that was an error on my part. It should have been nustru. The u causes the stressed o before it to become u.DesEsseintes wrote:Looks nice, qwed.qwed117 wrote:Egerius asked me to translate the Lord's Prayer.
Babăl Nostru
Babăl Nustru...
Is it nostru, nustru, free variation, or is sth else going on?
If I come back to it, it's only gonna be minor fiddling. I'm going to try to consolidate over a couple of my other conlangs, and flesh them out more.DesEsseintes wrote:This will be the last translation for Learran unfortunately. I'm not continuing it.
Shame.
Why don't you just set it aside for now, work on other things, and come back to it later?
Learran was my "tribute", if you will, to Silvish and Þrinn. It's presentation isn't really my style, and I drat her work on stuff like Dishashta's portfolio style, which I've been neglecting, Mysterylang's newspaper progression, and Urusu Linea's reconstruction oriented understanding (it's undergoing some rethinking). I feel that those projects really show who I am as a conlanger, not Learran.
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1st Conjugation
U cëntare "to sing" - Infinitive
Cëntatu - Participle
Cëntëndu - Gerund
Indicative
Present
Cëntu - 1SG
Cënţe - 2SG
Cëntă - 3SG
Cëntamo - 1PL
Cëntaţi - 2PL
Cëntăn - 3PL
Imperfect
Cëntăm - 1SG
Cëntai - 2SG
Cënta - 3SG
Cëntoamo - 1PL
Cëntoaţi - 2PL
Cëntăn - 3PL
Pluperfect
Cëntame - 1SG
Cëntaşi - 2SG
Cëntase - 3SG
Cëntaseamo -1PL
Cëntaseaţi - 2PL
Cëntasïn - 3PL
Future
Cëntoł - 1SG
Cënţëli - 2SG
Cëntoale - 3SG
Cëntăłemo - 1PL
Cëntăłeţi - 2PL
Cënţoalën - 3PL
Conditional
Cëntărvem - 1SG
Cëntărvie- 2SG
Cëntărviă - 3SG
Cëntărvămo- 1PL
Cëntărvăţi - 2PL
Cëntăreăn - 3PL
Present Perfect
Ej cëntatu - 1SG
Aj cëntatu - 2SG
A cëntatu - 3SG
Eamo cëntatu - 1PL
Eaţi cëntatu - 2PL
Ën cëntatu - 3PL
Past Perfect
Eabăm cëntatu - 1SG
Iebe cëntatu - 2SG
Ieba cëntatu - 3SG
Ăbamo cëntatu - 1PL
Ăbaţi cëntatu - 2PL
Eabăn cëntatu - 3PL
Future Perfect I
Ej u faf cëntatu - 1SG
Aj u faf cëntatu - 2SG
A u faf cëntatu - 3SG
Eamo u faf cëntatu - 1PL
Eaţi u faf cëntatu - 2PL
Ën u faf cëntatu - 3PL
Future Perfect II
I'u faf cëntatu - 1SG
E'u faf cëntatu - 2SG
A'u faf cëntatu - 3SG
Eam'u faf cëntatu - 1PL
Eaţ'u faf cëntatu - 2PL
Ë'u faf cëntatu - 3PL
Subjunctive
Present
Cënţe - 1SG
Cënţi - 2SG
Cënţe - 3SG
Cënţemo - 1PL
Cënţeţi - 2PL
Cënţën - 3PL
Past I
U cënţe - 1SG
U cënţi - 2SG
U cënţe - 3SG
U cënţemo - 1PL
U cënţeţi - 2PL
U cënţën - 3PL
Past II
Cëntarë - 1SG
Cëntari - 2SG
Cëntarë - 3SG
Cëntărimo - 1PL
Cëntăriţi - 2PL
Cëntarene - 3PL
Future I
U cëntoł - 1SG
U cënţïli - 2SG
U cëntoale - 3SG
U cëntăłemo - 1PL
U cëntăłeţi -2PL
U cënţoalën -3PL
Future II
Faf u cëntoł - 1SG
Faf u cënţïli - 2SG
Faf u cëntoale - 3SG
Faf u cëntăłemo - 1PL
Faf u cëntăłeţi - 2PL
Faf u cënţoalën - 3PL
Finally finished. Don't ask why I'm doing this at 3AM.
U cëntare "to sing" - Infinitive
Cëntatu - Participle
Cëntëndu - Gerund
Indicative
Present
Cëntu - 1SG
Cënţe - 2SG
Cëntă - 3SG
Cëntamo - 1PL
Cëntaţi - 2PL
Cëntăn - 3PL
Imperfect
Cëntăm - 1SG
Cëntai - 2SG
Cënta - 3SG
Cëntoamo - 1PL
Cëntoaţi - 2PL
Cëntăn - 3PL
Pluperfect
Cëntame - 1SG
Cëntaşi - 2SG
Cëntase - 3SG
Cëntaseamo -1PL
Cëntaseaţi - 2PL
Cëntasïn - 3PL
Future
Cëntoł - 1SG
Cënţëli - 2SG
Cëntoale - 3SG
Cëntăłemo - 1PL
Cëntăłeţi - 2PL
Cënţoalën - 3PL
Conditional
Cëntărvem - 1SG
Cëntărvie- 2SG
Cëntărviă - 3SG
Cëntărvămo- 1PL
Cëntărvăţi - 2PL
Cëntăreăn - 3PL
Present Perfect
Ej cëntatu - 1SG
Aj cëntatu - 2SG
A cëntatu - 3SG
Eamo cëntatu - 1PL
Eaţi cëntatu - 2PL
Ën cëntatu - 3PL
Past Perfect
Eabăm cëntatu - 1SG
Iebe cëntatu - 2SG
Ieba cëntatu - 3SG
Ăbamo cëntatu - 1PL
Ăbaţi cëntatu - 2PL
Eabăn cëntatu - 3PL
Future Perfect I
Ej u faf cëntatu - 1SG
Aj u faf cëntatu - 2SG
A u faf cëntatu - 3SG
Eamo u faf cëntatu - 1PL
Eaţi u faf cëntatu - 2PL
Ën u faf cëntatu - 3PL
Future Perfect II
I'u faf cëntatu - 1SG
E'u faf cëntatu - 2SG
A'u faf cëntatu - 3SG
Eam'u faf cëntatu - 1PL
Eaţ'u faf cëntatu - 2PL
Ë'u faf cëntatu - 3PL
Subjunctive
Present
Cënţe - 1SG
Cënţi - 2SG
Cënţe - 3SG
Cënţemo - 1PL
Cënţeţi - 2PL
Cënţën - 3PL
Past I
U cënţe - 1SG
U cënţi - 2SG
U cënţe - 3SG
U cënţemo - 1PL
U cënţeţi - 2PL
U cënţën - 3PL
Past II
Cëntarë - 1SG
Cëntari - 2SG
Cëntarë - 3SG
Cëntărimo - 1PL
Cëntăriţi - 2PL
Cëntarene - 3PL
Future I
U cëntoł - 1SG
U cënţïli - 2SG
U cëntoale - 3SG
U cëntăłemo - 1PL
U cëntăłeţi -2PL
U cënţoalën -3PL
Future II
Faf u cëntoł - 1SG
Faf u cënţïli - 2SG
Faf u cëntoale - 3SG
Faf u cëntăłemo - 1PL
Faf u cëntăłeţi - 2PL
Faf u cënţoalën - 3PL
Finally finished. Don't ask why I'm doing this at 3AM.
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Re: Learran
The language looks really nice in general, but these forms are particularly beautiful.qwed117 wrote:Eabăm
Iebe
Ieba
Ăbamo
Ăbaţi
Eabăn
All the best conlanging takes place at 3AM. #conlangingfactsFinally finished. Don't ask why I'm doing this at 3AM.
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Yes! The quiet return of Learran!DesEsseintes wrote:All the best conlanging takes place at 3AM. #conlangingfactsqwed117 wrote:Finally finished. Don't ask why I'm doing this at 3AM.
Learran has quite its own character, doesn't it? Now I'm really excited to see whether you could come up with a diachronic timeline. Please.qwed117 wrote:So, Aero- (Click here) suggested a past conlang relay text to translate, so I'm translating a portion of the text of Relay #7
Me u dă ołătarmă u ţi pore momentunu, ïn tuşïri jocłi, tusuru corde, tusïru veaţă
[me‿ʊ̯ də oʎətarmə‿ʊ̯ t͡si poːɾ momentunu ɨn tuʃɨri jokʎi tusuru koːrd tuʃɨru ve̯at͡sə]
Let me look at you for a moment, into your eyes, your heart, your life.
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Re: Learran
Here's a lovely (probably enormous) map of Learran speaking areas in 1924.
Unfortunately, the Learran people were targeted for extermination and genocide by the Nazis and their partners in the Balkans as part of the final solution in 1941, identified as a part of the Romani people and other ethnic stragglers. During the Cold War, the Learran identity was also heavily suppressed by the Yugoslavian and Albanian governments. At the end of the Cold War, the Yugoslav Wars began. Unlike virtually all other groups in the area, the Learran people did not form militias or an army with the intent of breaking away from the control of Serbia. In fact, they were largely dispossessed of the right to government and didn't have the same materiel that virtually every other group had. Learrans were targeted as co-conspirators of the Bosniaks, and were similarly targeted for ethnic cleansing. As a result, the population of Learrans had been steadily declining between the 1900 and 1995. After the Dayton agreement, the Learran people were offered a microstate in between Bosnia and Serbia. 10 years after the agreement was signed that gave the Learran people the first true Learran state in the last 1100 years, a part of Serbia-Montenegro decided in an internationally-recognized groundbreaking referendum to secede and join the Learran state. A year later, the remainder of Montenegro would declare independence as well.
Today the Elearran Republic is 65% Learran ethnicity, and has 310,000 people. The population has been steadily increasing since 1995 (when it merely had 290,000 people). The majority of the non-Learran ethnicities are, in order, Bosniak, Croatian, Albanian, and then Serbian.
Unfortunately, the Learran people were targeted for extermination and genocide by the Nazis and their partners in the Balkans as part of the final solution in 1941, identified as a part of the Romani people and other ethnic stragglers. During the Cold War, the Learran identity was also heavily suppressed by the Yugoslavian and Albanian governments. At the end of the Cold War, the Yugoslav Wars began. Unlike virtually all other groups in the area, the Learran people did not form militias or an army with the intent of breaking away from the control of Serbia. In fact, they were largely dispossessed of the right to government and didn't have the same materiel that virtually every other group had. Learrans were targeted as co-conspirators of the Bosniaks, and were similarly targeted for ethnic cleansing. As a result, the population of Learrans had been steadily declining between the 1900 and 1995. After the Dayton agreement, the Learran people were offered a microstate in between Bosnia and Serbia. 10 years after the agreement was signed that gave the Learran people the first true Learran state in the last 1100 years, a part of Serbia-Montenegro decided in an internationally-recognized groundbreaking referendum to secede and join the Learran state. A year later, the remainder of Montenegro would declare independence as well.
Today the Elearran Republic is 65% Learran ethnicity, and has 310,000 people. The population has been steadily increasing since 1995 (when it merely had 290,000 people). The majority of the non-Learran ethnicities are, in order, Bosniak, Croatian, Albanian, and then Serbian.
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Here's the UDHR in Learran. Canonically, the UDHR was never translated into Learran
Dicłaraz̧jone Universale de Dreafţisuru Amăneaşi
Tutu esëri umëni naţën libëri e ugvali ën dimnătat e dreafţi. Si deamnăn aucu raţione i koşenz̧ă eu nëvăłăreăn a faţër a unu u ëutreasu ën spiritunu de fratelanz̧a
/dicʎarazjon universal de dreaft͡sisuru aməne̯aʃi/
/tutw‿esɨrj‿umɨni nat͡sɨn libɨrj‿e‿ʊ̯gvalj‿ɨn dimnətat e dreaft͡si si de̯amnən auku rat͡sjone‿j coʃenzə eʊ̯ nɨvəʎəreən a fat͡sɨr a‿ʊ̯nu w‿ɨʊ̯tre̯asw‿ɨn spiritunu de fratelanzə/
Dicłaraz̧jone Universale de Dreafţisuru Amăneaşi
Tutu esëri umëni naţën libëri e ugvali ën dimnătat e dreafţi. Si deamnăn aucu raţione i koşenz̧ă eu nëvăłăreăn a faţër a unu u ëutreasu ën spiritunu de fratelanz̧a
/dicʎarazjon universal de dreaft͡sisuru aməne̯aʃi/
/tutw‿esɨrj‿umɨni nat͡sɨn libɨrj‿e‿ʊ̯gvalj‿ɨn dimnətat e dreaft͡si si de̯amnən auku rat͡sjone‿j coʃenzə eʊ̯ nɨvəʎəreən a fat͡sɨr a‿ʊ̯nu w‿ɨʊ̯tre̯asw‿ɨn spiritunu de fratelanzə/
Edit: Had /c/ for /k/. [c] is an allophones of /k/ behind only /j/ and /ʎ/
Condensed the IPA into one line
Condensed the IPA into one line
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Well, Raska/Rascia was the core of the medieval Serbian state. How come they have the highest proportion in Raska?
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Elearra has a quite confusing history. These records from the kingdom of Yugoslavia are widely believed to have been at least slightly incorrect in their counting. That being said, the phenomenon that you mentioned isn't really that "surprising". During the 11th Century, Elearran's did not have a significant amount of speakers in that region. They were in fact situated largely in the Zeta Oblast, part of the Kosovo Oblast and in the Gheg portion of Albania. When the Ottomans came, the Learrans became mercenaries in their army, and many also converted. When the Serbian Empire fell, they moved northward and many became administrative officials or military guards or had a similar high ranking position in the governance of those areas. This led to ethnic cronyism and Learrans sought improved conditions in those areas. The connection to the ethnic cronyism of the era lead to their targeting during the Holocaust.Zythros Jubi wrote:Well, Raska/Rascia was the core of the medieval Serbian state. How come they have the highest proportion in Raska?
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Ha! We've chosen nearly identical regions for our conlangs! Well doneqwed117 wrote:Here's a lovely (probably enormous) map of Learran speaking areas in 1924.
I really like this language and the history.
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Well, the current location where the language is spoken is very different. Right now, I'm just showing the historical location.spanick wrote:Ha! We've chosen nearly identical regions for our conlangs! Well doneqwed117 wrote:Here's a lovely (probably enormous) map of Learran speaking areas in 1924.
I really like this language and the history.
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I made a rough estimate of the amount of Learran speakers after the First World War, in 1924. It roughly amounts to 892,000 Learraphones, making Learran the third most spoken language in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia.
Roughly 230,000 were Bosnian, 330,000 were Serbian,and 260,000 were Kosovar, to provide an idea of how bad the Bosnian War and the effects of ethnic "erasing" during the Communist administration are. That's roughly two times the number of Learraphones today. The number of Learraphones has decreased six fold over the last two hundred years. The effect has been a rapid change in the language.
Roughly 230,000 were Bosnian, 330,000 were Serbian,and 260,000 were Kosovar, to provide an idea of how bad the Bosnian War and the effects of ethnic "erasing" during the Communist administration are. That's roughly two times the number of Learraphones today. The number of Learraphones has decreased six fold over the last two hundred years. The effect has been a rapid change in the language.
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Finally, a map of Elearra/Elirria, in the context of the Balkans. It right now is shown overlaid upon the borders of the modern Balkan peninsula.
Elearra is the small orange country straddling the coast of the Adriatic. As a part of the Dayton Accords, within Elearra, there are two (semi-)exclaves, one of Croatia, which is the city of Dubrovnik, and one of Bosnia, which is Neum. Note that the proper name of what today would be "Bosnia and Herzegovina" is merely Bosnia. The entirety of what would be Herzegovina is contained within Elearra. The largest city in Elearra is Mostar and the capital of Elearra is the city of Trebinje (Trabună in Learran)
Elearra is the small orange country straddling the coast of the Adriatic. As a part of the Dayton Accords, within Elearra, there are two (semi-)exclaves, one of Croatia, which is the city of Dubrovnik, and one of Bosnia, which is Neum. Note that the proper name of what today would be "Bosnia and Herzegovina" is merely Bosnia. The entirety of what would be Herzegovina is contained within Elearra. The largest city in Elearra is Mostar and the capital of Elearra is the city of Trebinje (Trabună in Learran)
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Well, all other borders are the same as *here*? Did Dalmatian language exist *there*?
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