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In that case, I guess the verb would regularize and add the augment to all of its forms. Therefore, this would happen instead.

finīre "to finish" > finesċer/finesċre

Present Tense Conjugation:
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ġo finesċe
tu finesċes
el finesċe
nos finesċèmes
vos finesċèdes
eles finesċen
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24) Since there were only two proposals in the past 17 hours, I will let you guys vote on them now.
a) Ashtâr Balînestyâr’s Proposal
b) Cavaliers327’s proposal

Ashtâr Balînestyâr’s Proposal:
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I’m just going to propose a boring typical Romance verbal system, so that we can add interesting changes to it later.

Indicative:
Present
Imperfect
Preterite (from the Latin perfect)
Future (Latin infinitive + present of habēre)
Conditional (Latin infinitive + imperfect of habēre)

Subjunctive:
Present
Imperfect (from the Latin pluperfect subjunctive)

Imperative, with only the second person forms distinct from the present subjunctive

And their respective perfect tenses, formed by conjugating esse or habēre and adding the past participle. Intransitive verbs of motion and stative verbs take esse, and the participle agrees in gender with the subject. Other verbs take habēre, and the participle agrees with the direct object; if there is no direct object, the participle is neuter.
Cavaliers327
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Why not make the verb forms highly analytic and make use of compound tense? Akin to Modern English. However, I am inclined to agree with the solution above for now.
25) How should the four conjugations merge? If you want any of these but with retainment of final -e, then choose one and say something along the lines of "with e".
a) -are, ēre, ere, ire > -ar, er, re, ir
b) -are, ēre, ere, ire > -ar, er, er, ir
c) -are, ēre, ere, ire > -er, eir, re, ir
d) -are, ēre, ere, ire > -er

You have until 15:00 EDT or 19:00 UTC to vote.
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Re: Anglo-Romance Language Collab

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So, like Spanish. I’d personally prefer the Italian/Catalan-style conjugation, where the augment is only used when the root would be stressed, but this is perfectly fine with me as well. (It’s mostly because of the yogh in the imperfect, though: finiēbam > finȝeva.)

Minor nitpick: the infinitive of -ēscō is -ēscere, in the third conjugation, but that just affects three of the forms discussed so far.

finesċer/finesċre
nos finesċèmes
vos finesċèdes

Edit: 25. a, e*

e) -ar, -eir, -re, -ir
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Ashtâr Balînestyâr wrote:So, like Spanish. I’d personally prefer the Italian/Catalan-style conjugation, where the augment is only used when the root would be stressed, but this is perfectly fine with me as well. (It’s mostly because of the yogh in the imperfect, though: finiēbam > finȝeva.)
I agree


24. a

25. a
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24) A
25) D
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24)A
25)D
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24. A (well, becoming analytic is too early; may happen later)
25. D
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24: a
25: a c
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Ashtâr Balînestyâr wrote:So, like Spanish. I’d personally prefer the Italian/Catalan-style conjugation, where the augment is only used when the root would be stressed, but this is perfectly fine with me as well. (It’s mostly because of the yogh in the imperfect, though: finiēbam > finȝeva.)

Minor nitpick: the infinitive of -ēscō is -ēscere, in the third conjugation, but that just affects three of the forms discussed so far.

finesċer/finesċre
nos finesċèmes
vos finesċèdes

Edit: 25. a, e*

e) -ar, -eir, -re, -ir
Well, like Spanish, we could have 2 different verbs. In Spanish, finesċer/finesċre has two cognates which are finir and fenecer. For the most part, finir is a regular verb but the verb fenecer has a rule that the c becomes a zc before "a" or "o". So maybe, we could have finer, and fineċer. Also, I fixed the situation with the nitpick you mentioned.
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1) B (Can we at least try to make it interesting by adding more English norms)
2) C
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That will be voted on later.
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24) Since there were only two proposals in the past 17 hours, I will let you guys vote on them now.
a) Ashtâr Balînestyâr’s Proposal

Ashtâr Balînestyâr’s Proposal:
Spoiler:
I’m just going to propose a boring typical Romance verbal system, so that we can add interesting changes to it later.

Indicative:
Present
Imperfect
Preterite (from the Latin perfect)
Future (Latin infinitive + present of habēre)
Conditional (Latin infinitive + imperfect of habēre)

Subjunctive:
Present
Imperfect (from the Latin pluperfect subjunctive)

Imperative, with only the second person forms distinct from the present subjunctive

And their respective perfect tenses, formed by conjugating esse or habēre and adding the past participle. Intransitive verbs of motion and stative verbs take esse, and the participle agrees in gender with the subject. Other verbs take habēre, and the participle agrees with the direct object; if there is no direct object, the participle is neuter.


25) How should the four conjugations merge? If you want any of these but with retainment of final -e, then choose one and say something along the lines of "with e".
d) -are, ēre, ere, ire > -er

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Alright! Here is demonstrated with the verb finesċer "to finish".

Indicative
Spoiler:
Present
ġo finesċo
tu finesces
el finesce
nos finescèmes
vos finescèdes
eles finesċen

Imperfect
ġo finesceve
tu finesceves
el finesceve
nos finescevmes
vos finescevdes
eles finesceven

Preterite
ġo finesci
tu finescesti
el finesċo
nos finescens
vos finesceġ
eles finesceron

Future
ġo finescerè
tu finesceras
el finescera
nos finescerem
vos finescerèċ
eles finesceran

Conditional
ġo finescerȝè
tu finescerȝas
el finescerȝa
nos finescerȝem
vos finescerȝèċ
eles finescerȝan
Subjunctive
Spoiler:
Present
ġo finescen
tu finesces
el finesce
nos finescèns
vos finescèċ
eles finescen

Imperfect
ġo finescese
tu finescese
el finescese
nos finescèmos
vos finescèġ
eles finescesen
Imperative
Spoiler:
tu finesce
vos finescète
Compound Tenses and Aspects
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Perfect Tenses: Formed by conjugating aver "to have" and adding the past participle.
Stative Verbs: Formed by conjugating eser "to be".

Participles
Present Participle/Gerund: -end
Past Participle: -ed

The participle agrees with the direct object; if there is no direct object, the participle is neuter.
I will add the conjugation of eser "to be" later.
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Is there a meaningful distinction between <ce> and <ċe>, or are they interchangeable at this stage?
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They are interchangeable just like se and ce are in Caribbean Spanish.
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gokupwned5 wrote:They are interchangeable just like se and ce are in Spanish.
But they aren't
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In some dialects. In my dialect, they are both /se/. I will fix that now.
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The interaction with the Danes mentioned below marks the beginning of the period in our language known as Early Old Brettanish.

26) It is now the year 793 and the king, Karle II is nearing his end at the ripe old age of 56. The Danish kingdom has attempted to invade and has taken the coast of eastern Anglia. They wish to conquer our land. What should we do?
a) Lucȝerles! (Fight them!)
b) Nos formerem un iselrède! (We will form an alliance!)

27) For the verb “to be”, should we keep the irregular future forms from Latin, or derive new ones by suffixing the verb aver “to have”? Next to each option, I have what each verb form would be.
a) Keep the irregular future tense forms. (èr, ères, ère, èrmos, èrdes, eron)
b) Suffix the verb aver. (serè, seras, sera, serem, serèċ, seran)

You have until 15:00 EDT or 19:00 UTC to finish voting.
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26: b
27: b
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26.A 27.A
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26 A
27 B
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