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Anglo-Romance Language Collab

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Now, I know that not alot of people in the conlanging community like romlangs, but why don't we try doing a collab on the creation of an Anglo-Romance language akin to Brithenig? The format of this thread will be based on Artaxes' Indo-European collablang and qwed117's Collabromlang thread.

1) Will we be following the Spezia-Rimini line?
a) East
b) West
c) No


2) What should happen to initial s- clusters?
a) sC -> esC
b) sC -> isC
c) sC -> esC -> eC
d) sC -> isC -> iC

3) What happens to the cluster kt?
a) kt -> t͡ʃ
b) kt -> pt
c) kt -> tt
d) kt -> jt

4) What vowel system should we have?
a) /i u e o ɛ ɔ a/
b) /i u e o a/
c) /i (y ɨ) u e (ø ə) o (ɛ œ ɔ) a/ + nasalization (Not all vowels in parentheses have to be included)
d) /i (ɨ) u e ə o a/
e) /i y u e o a/
f) /i u a/

If you have any other options that you would like for these sound changes, let me know so we can vote on them! Results will be posted on March 29 at 15:00 EDT or 19:00 UTC.
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Re: Anglo-Romance Language Collab

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gokupwned5 wrote:Now, I know that not alot of people in the conlanging community like romlangs
Ha, I guess that we've proven that wrong now, haven't we?

I think for things that ask for a phonetic change, we should start by asking for proposals. And also the question about Spezia-Rimini includes parts of that question. You should start by asking about how the basic vowel system goes; it's not directly related to the Spezia-Rimini line.

Anyways;
1) B
2) keep sC clusters / AC (since the epenthetic i is short, it would become e anyways)
3) A (then reduce that to sh)
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Re: Anglo-Romance Language Collab

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I added a question about the vowel system of the language.
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gokupwned5 wrote:I added a question about the vowel system of the language.
That's a vague question and fails to answer the point that I made
qwed117 wrote:I think for things that ask for a phonetic change, we should start by asking for proposals.
This would also apply to stuff like vowel systems.

I need clarification before I blindly vote on the new question.
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Re: Anglo-Romance Language Collab

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I took your advice and fixed the questions. I am also open to any proposals you may have.
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Re: Anglo-Romance Language Collab

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1) West
2) C
3) A
4) C
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1) West
2) A or keep
3)A (this fundamentally is the Rimini-Spezia line)
4) A (don't think you got quite what i was looking for, but okay)
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Re: Anglo-Romance Language Collab

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1.B 2.remain sC / A 3.D 4.AC
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1: b
2: c
3: a
4: a b d e
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1. B
2. Keep the same
3. B
4. C (F would be pretty interesting though)
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1. b)
2. d)
3. c)
4. e)

By the way Romlangs can be good when done well like this one or the other one or Pannonian( on the subreddit)
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1) Will we be following the Spezia-Rimini line?
This will be a western romance language.

2) What should happen to initial s- clusters?
We will keep the sC clusters.

3) What happens to the cluster kt?
The cluster /kt/ will become a voiceless post alveolar affricate /t͡ʃ/.

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This question needs to be voted on again. There were two popular options which both got a majority of the votes (They both got 3). By 21:00 EDT or 01:00 UTC, I will close the recount.

4) What vowel system should we have?
a) /i u e o ɛ ɔ a/
c) /i (y ɨ) u e (ø ə) o (ɛ œ ɔ) a/ + nasalization (Not all vowels in parentheses have to be included)
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4) C

Also, I think we should also have things like the Germanic umlaut, the Anglo-Frisian brightening and palatalization and so on.
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4: a
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4.c

Also:

Can a future option be influence from Andalusi Arabic and Ibero-Romance languages(like Mozarabic) due to the Caliphate of Cordoba capturing England for a few decades? If there is a reformation in this world could there be an option be to stay Catholic or become Protestant? Would be loss of grammatical gender?
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IEPH wrote:4) C

Also, I think we should also have things like the Germanic umlaut, the Anglo-Frisian brightening and palatalization and so on.
I agree, IEPH. It would also make our Anglo-Romance Language look more interesting. I will make proposals for it once the next voting results come in.
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1. B
2. C
3. A
4. B
I prefer to not be referred to with masculine pronouns and nouns such as “he/him/his”.
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Cavaliers327 wrote:4.c

Also:

Can a future option be influence from Andalusi Arabic and Ibero-Romance languages(like Mozarabic) due to the Caliphate of Cordoba capturing England for a few decades? If there is a reformation in this world could there be an option be to stay Catholic or become Protestant? Would be loss of grammatical gender?
In my opinion, while Islamic influence in medieval Britain would be unlikely, there could be a possibility of Spanish influence if the Habsburg attack on England in the 1580s led to a Habsburg victory. Then, there could be the possibility of Spanish loanwords. But, let's develop the history afterwards.
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gokupwned5 wrote: 4) What vowel system should we have?
a) /i u e o ɛ ɔ a/
c) /i (y ɨ) u e (ø ə) o (ɛ œ ɔ) a/ + nasalization (Not all vowels in parentheses have to be included)
You can't ask a question in terms of "What vowel system should we have". You have to ask how the vowel system develops. Look at how I posed the question in Collabrom:
6) Propose a new vowel system for the language
<Voting on the vowel system starts in the next round of voting, with a separate question number. You do not have to propose a vowel system. Only propose it if you like it. You can propose the Southern/Western/Eastern vowel systems, if you want it>
This is how responses were organized:
Egerius:
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Egerius wrote:6) A vowel system:
a(ː) > a > æː (open syllables), a (closed syllables), ɐ (unstressed syllables)
e(ː) > e > eː (open syllables), ɛ (closed syllables), ə (unstressed syllables)
i(ː) > i > ɛi̯ (open syllables), i (closed syllables), ə (unstressed syllables)
o(ː) > o > oː (open syllables), ɒ (closed syllables), ʊ (unstressed syllables)
u(ː) > u > ɒu̯ (open syllables), u (closed syllables), ʊ (unstressed syllables)
Creyeditor:
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[quote="Creyeditor]/a/ → /a/
/aː/ → /a/
/ɛ/ → /æ/ → /a/
/eː/ → /e/ → /e͡ɪ/ → /a͡ɪ/ (stressed)
/ɪ/ → /e/ → /e͡ɪ/ → /a͡ɪ/ (stressed)
/eː/ → /e/ → /i/ (unstressed)
/ɪ/ → /e/ → /i/ (unstressed)
/iː/ → /i/
/ɔ/ → /ɑ/ → /a/
/oː/ → /o/ → /o͡ʊ/ → /ɑ͡ʊ/ (stressed)
/ʊ/ → /o/ → /o͡ʊ/ → /ɑ͡ʊ/ (stressed)
/oː/ → /o/ → /u/ (unstressed)
/ʊ/ → /o/ → /u/ (unstressed)
/uː/ → /u/
/a͡ʊ/ → /a͡ʊ/ (stressed)
/a͡ʊ/ → /ɔ/ → /ɑ/ → /a/ (unstressed)
/a͡i/ → /ɛ/ → /æ/ → /a/ (?)
/ɔ͡ɪ/ → /e/ → /i/ (?)[/quote]
Here's what I wrote:
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meeeeee wrote:6) " Afrae aures de correptione vocalium vel productione non iudicant: "African ears have no quick perception of the shortness or length of (Latin) vowels." Augustine of Hippo
a(:) > a
e(:) > e
i(:) > i
o(:) > o
u(:) > u
Following in that same patter

Code: Select all

   S   U   I
ă  a   a   ĕ
ā  a   a   ĕ
ĕ  ĕ   ī   ī
ē  ē   ī   ē
ĭ  ē   ī   ē
ī  ī   ī   ī
ŏ  ŏ   ū   ē
ō  ō   ū   ē
ŭ  ō   ū   ē
ū  ū   ū   ī
S is stressed
U is unstressed
I is iotated
One way of stating the change is that the Lucanian system is used in unstressed syllables and the traditional Western system is used in the stressed system. In addition, iotation occurs, a feature of Italian dialects
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Re: Anglo-Romance Language Collab

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Qwed117, for each vowel system, I was planning on making sound changes based on Romance languages with similar vowel systems. So far, it looks like Option C will win, so we could end up with a vowel system of /i y u e ø o (ɛ œ ɔ) æ a/ if we apply umlaut. Also, nasalization adds a nasal distinction for each of those.
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