Sure. I've seen references to International Sign, Uniwording Sign Language. I think Plains Indian Sign Language might count.lsd wrote:Is there any auxiliary sign language ever constructed...
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I believe Solresol can be signed, as well as (semaphore) flagged, and colored/painted (!)elemtilas wrote:Sure. I've seen references to International Sign, Uniwording Sign Language. I think Plains Indian Sign Language might count.lsd wrote:Is there any auxiliary sign language ever constructed...
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I wouldn't worry about a sign language. That would legitimately have to be a different language.
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Perhaps...though I think it could be argued that a True Believer(TM) in invented auxlangs needs to address this underserved population.Nachtuil wrote:I wouldn't worry about a sign language. That would legitimately have to be a different language.
To be honest, deaf people worldwide are probably the least served and most ignored when it comes to language in general. (The OP seems to think of sign languages as perhaps not-quite-languages.) As I understand it, even within large language blocs like ASL, there are plenty of regionalisms, dialects and so forth even among close geographical regions, making communication between Americans difficult. Also, deaf folks don't have the advantage enjoyed by speakers of English. ASL, BSL AustrSL, etc --- none of those are mutually comprehensible.
If anything, the world-wide deaf community is the ideal field for an auxlanger to work his magic. There is actually a real need for an international auxiliary language there. To be fair, Atlas has no chance of ever becoming the or even a spoken IAL. As an intellectual exercise, as a creative exercise, all well and good. As an exercise in international politics, it has no hope. Putting that energy into a SIAL, now that would raise the art of auxlangery out of the 19th century quagmire it's been stuck in since the early 20th century! Pulling this off would definitely put the hard working auxlanger on the map.
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You make excellent points. American Sign Language comes close but is mostly North American. It also has a few unfortunate relics (I think of the squinted eyes to mean Chinese people for instance). Such an auxlanger would need a strong understanding of current sign language I think.
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And not just ASL (e.g.), but of many others, too.Nachtuil wrote:You make excellent points. American Sign Language comes close but is mostly North American. It also has a few unfortunate relics (I think of the squinted eyes to mean Chinese people for instance). Such an auxlanger would need a strong understanding of current sign language I think.
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It is still hard to imagine someone doing it without knowing at least one sign language already. One would have to understand the challenges of that type of communication. I imagine it being like a man who works on windmills rushing to the port to tell sailors how to sail better. I wouldn't even attempt it myself.
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Don't forget to make a whistled language also. How else should people of different native tongues be able to communicate effectively across mountain valleys?
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A yodellang?Xing wrote:How else should people of different native tongues be able to communicate effectively across mountain valleys?
☯ 道可道,非常道
☯ 名可名,非常名
☯ 名可名,非常名
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That too And a IAL whispering language. We don't want to give the Pirahã an unfair advantage.Lao Kou wrote:A yodellang?Xing wrote:How else should people of different native tongues be able to communicate effectively across mountain valleys?
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Damn, U beat me to it. I mean whistle whistle whiiiiiistle trilling-whistle warble whistleXing wrote:Don't forget to make a whistled language also. How else should people of different native tongues be able to communicate effectively across mountain valleys?
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Let me clarify first that I was not referring to official "sign languages", but to extremely basic and non-constructed sign "languages". I did not explain myself. Sign languages have all my respect, I studied in a university where it was part of the languages you could chose.
Ze viset, ze wazet al-nekoa.
Both are happening in the past, so both take the past.
Ze viset, ze wazet al-nekoa.
Both are happening in the past, so both take the past.
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It's not obvious that both were happening 'in the past'', it depends on your point of reference. It's past relative to the moment of speaking, but present relative to the point of reference established..Rodiniye wrote:
Ze viset, ze wazet al-nekoa.
Both are happening in the past, so both take the past.
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such as...? (frantically waving arms and making stabbing motions with index finger at the hungry tiger behind you?)Rodiniye wrote:Let me clarify first that I was not referring to official "sign languages", but to extremely basic and non-constructed sign "languages".
At work on Apaan: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4799
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in Atlas it is always from the moment of speaking Thanks!Xing wrote:It's not obvious that both were happening 'in the past'', it depends on your point of reference. It's past relative to the moment of speaking, but present relative to the point of reference established..Rodiniye wrote:
Ze viset, ze wazet al-nekoa.
Both are happening in the past, so both take the past.
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How would "He saw that she was killing the cat." be translated, then? The same way, given that it's still in the past relative to the frame of reference of the speaker?
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I'd guess it would be something like this: 1s.MASC see.PFV.PST CONJ 3s.FEM kill.PROGR.PST DEF cat. Or could 'was killing' be rendered as anything else than a past tense progressive?alynnidalar wrote:How would "He saw that she was killing the cat." be translated, then? The same way, given that it's still in the past relative to the frame of reference of the speaker?
Another question would be how to handle the pluperfect. (He saw that she arrived vs He saw that she had arrived.)
Edit: Yet another question:
Setting aside the optional dual for a moment, does the plural indicate 'more than one' or 'two or more'? (This can be a somewhat tricky question...)
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"another questions"Xing wrote:Edit: Yet another questions:
Setting aside the optional dual for a moment, does the plural indicate 'more than one' or 'two or more'? (This can be a somewhat tricky question...)
What's the difference?
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There's numbers between 1 and 2, you know--I assume Xing is asking if something like "1.5" takes the singular or plural.