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New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by Cavaliers327 » Sun 28 Jan 2018, 20:13

I wanted to make a new branch of the Indo-European language family


1. Will this language be ...
a. Centum
b. Satem
c. Undecided

2. Will the language develop..
a. the Caucasus
b. Central Europe
c. Mesopotomia
d. North Africa

3. Aspirates
a. Nothing happens
b. Voiced aspirated merge with voiced plain
c. Voiced aspirates devoice

4. Case System
a. Keep all the cases
b. Lose the Ablative
c. Lose the Instrumental
d. Merge with the Vocative with the Nominative
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by vo1dwalk3r » Sun 28 Jan 2018, 20:38

This has been tried before but I'm interested in participating in a collablang. Also, what do you mean by "weekly"?

1. a
2. a
3. c
4. d
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by Cavaliers327 » Sun 28 Jan 2018, 21:05

Just that I'll be putting up new questions once a week until I am freer. Ultimately, I'll try to update with new questions once in three days.
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by Rum_Ham » Tue 30 Jan 2018, 08:38

A, A, C, D.
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » Tue 30 Jan 2018, 11:45

1. B
2. C
3. C
4. E. Lose all case distinctions, and innovate new cases from postpositions/prepositions.
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by Cavaliers327 » Wed 31 Jan 2018, 14:14

1. A
2. B
3. C
4. D
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by Frislander » Wed 31 Jan 2018, 16:59

  1. B
  2. A
  3. B
  4. B, D
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by Cavaliers327 » Sat 03 Feb 2018, 18:03

Results
Spoiler:
1. This language will be Satem

2. The language will develop in the Caucasus, with a possible Mesopotamian origin

3. The aspirates devoice

4.The Vocative Case will merge with the Nominative
New Questions

5. Reflexes fof palatovelars
a. kʲ gʲ kʰʲ > ʃ d͡ʒ t͡ʃ
b. kʲ gʲ kʰʲ > ç ɟ c
c. suggest your own

6. Case System Reduction
a. Instrumental gone
b. Ablative gone
c. Both Ablative and Instrumental gone
d. No cases lost

7. With a possible Mesopotamian origin
a. Should we borrow words from Akkadian, Hurrian, Aramaic, and Sumerian
b. Or not?

8. Should we keep the dual
a. Yes
b.No
c. In some pronouns and special verbs only

9. Laryngeals are gone, but what happens
a. Suggest your own
b. Vowel- lengthening

10. Vowel Changes
a. Conservative for now
b. Suggest your own
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by vo1dwalk3r » Sat 03 Feb 2018, 19:47

5. a
6. b
7. Have a small "older layer" of Mesopotamian words, but have most borrowings be Caucasian
8. c
9. b + Vowel coloring, consonant devoicing and aspiration (à la Sanskrit).
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by Cavaliers327 » Sat 03 Feb 2018, 20:15

5. a
6. c
7. "Have a small "older layer" of Mesopotamian words, but have most borrowings be Caucasian" - I like this
8. c
9. b
10. a, for now
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » Sat 03 Feb 2018, 20:45

5: c (ḱ ḱʰ ǵ > t͡ʃ t͡ʃʰ d͡ʒ)
6: d
7: a
8: a c
9: a (vo1dwalk3r's suggestion)
10: a

vo1dwalk3r wrote:
Sun 28 Jan 2018, 20:38
This has been tried before
Believe it or not, I haven't completely given up on that yet.
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » Sat 03 Feb 2018, 23:07

5. C - kʲ gʲ kʰʲ > t͡ʃ d͡ʒ t͡ʃʰ (we retain all aspirates and figure something out later)
6. C
7. A
8. A
9. B - (vo1dwalk3r's suggestion)
10. B - Long diphthongs ending in /i/ become /iː/, ones ending in /u/ become /uː/. Long /e o/ become /i u/, and Short /e o/ remain the same.
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by Frislander » Sun 04 Feb 2018, 18:24

5. a
6. b
7. a, but only as a small substratum
8. b
9. instead merge them as h or x
10. a
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by idov » Sun 04 Feb 2018, 21:16

5. c (ḱ ḱʰ ǵ > ɕ t͡ɕ j)
6. a
7. b
8. c (pronouns only)
9. c (vo1dwalk3r's suggestion
10. a
The accusative of <emo> is <eminem>. :lat:
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by ixals » Mon 05 Feb 2018, 00:32

5. c (shimo's suggestion)
6. c
7. a (vo1dwalk3r's suggestion)
8. c
9. a (vo1dwalk3r's suggestion)
10. a
Native: :deu:
Learning: :gbr:, :fra:, :por:, :tur:

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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by Cavaliers327 » Mon 05 Feb 2018, 23:04

Results
Spoiler:
5. Reflexes for palatovelars
Spoiler:
c (ḱ ḱʰ ǵ > t͡ʃ t͡ʃʰ d͡ʒ)

6. Case System Reduction
Spoiler:
c. Both Ablative and Instrumental gone
7. With a possible Mesopotamian origin
Spoiler:
a. Should we borrow words from Akkadian, Hurrian, Aramaic, and Sumerian - small ancient layer, mostly borrowing Caucasian words

8. Should we keep the dual
Spoiler:
c. In some pronouns and special verbs only
9. Laryngeals are gone, but what happens
Spoiler:
b. Vowel- lengthening + vowel coloring, etc- (vo1dwalk3r's suggestion)
10. Vowel Changes
Spoiler:
a. Conservative for now
New Questions

11. Grassman's Law
a. Is applied
b. Is not applied

12. Optative and Aorist have become archaic
a. Retain
b. Eliminate

13. Syllable Final and Nucleus Syllabic Consonants
a. uC
b. aC
c. Suggest your own

14. Aspirates
a. Fricativize
b. Lose aspiration
c. Leave them alone

15. Case System Reduction
a.Locative Stays
b.Locative Goes



X. What words should we borrow? Akkadian words for copper, gold, king; Hurrian words for.... etc
a. Compile a list of words; We'll vote on a list later

X2. Can we test out our sound changes so far on PIE to see what it looks like now?
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » Mon 05 Feb 2018, 23:10

11: b
12: b
13: b
14: a c
15: a

Just in case, could you clarify what you mean in question 12? And are we supposed to vote on the X questions?
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by Cavaliers327 » Mon 05 Feb 2018, 23:17

We will vote on X later, but X2 is just a question/favor I am asking. For X1, I am just asking everyone to compile a list of words and then we can vote on that later.
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » Tue 06 Feb 2018, 00:00

My attempt at applying the sound changes we currently have (from questions 1-10) to some PIE words, taken from Wiktionary:

*óynos > /ˈojnos/ "one"
*dwóh₁ > /dwoː/ "two"
*tréyes > /ˈtrejes/ "three"
*kʷetwóres > /keˈtwores/ "four"
*pénkʷe > /ˈpenke/ "five"
*swéḱs > /swet͡ʃs/ "six"
*septḿ̥ > /sepˈtm̩/ "seven"
*oḱtṓw > /ot͡ʃˈtoːw/ "eight"
*h₁néwn̥ > /ˈn̥ewn̩~ˈnewn̩/ "nine"
*déḱm̥ > /ˈdet͡ʃm̩/ "ten"

I was going to do more, but we have so few sound changes at this point that I figured it should wait.

Regarding the reflex of *h₁néwn̥, I wasn't sure if the "consonant devoicing and aspiration" part of our rule about laryngeals also applies to sonorants like /n/, or just obstruents. To be safe, I included two possibilities.
Edit: Neglected to merge velars and labiovelars.

Also, just to make sure I understand what I'm voting on for question 12, could you please clarify what you mean there?
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