New Weekly Indo European Collablang
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New Weekly Indo European Collablang
I wanted to make a new branch of the Indo-European language family
1. Will this language be ...
a. Centum
b. Satem
c. Undecided
2. Will the language develop..
a. the Caucasus
b. Central Europe
c. Mesopotomia
d. North Africa
3. Aspirates
a. Nothing happens
b. Voiced aspirated merge with voiced plain
c. Voiced aspirates devoice
4. Case System
a. Keep all the cases
b. Lose the Ablative
c. Lose the Instrumental
d. Merge with the Vocative with the Nominative
1. Will this language be ...
a. Centum
b. Satem
c. Undecided
2. Will the language develop..
a. the Caucasus
b. Central Europe
c. Mesopotomia
d. North Africa
3. Aspirates
a. Nothing happens
b. Voiced aspirated merge with voiced plain
c. Voiced aspirates devoice
4. Case System
a. Keep all the cases
b. Lose the Ablative
c. Lose the Instrumental
d. Merge with the Vocative with the Nominative
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang
This has been tried before but I'm interested in participating in a collablang. Also, what do you mean by "weekly"?
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2. a
3. c
4. d
1. a
2. a
3. c
4. d
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang
Just that I'll be putting up new questions once a week until I am freer. Ultimately, I'll try to update with new questions once in three days.
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A, A, C, D.
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1. B
2. C
3. C
4. E. Lose all case distinctions, and innovate new cases from postpositions/prepositions.
2. C
3. C
4. E. Lose all case distinctions, and innovate new cases from postpositions/prepositions.
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1. A
2. B
3. C
4. D
2. B
3. C
4. D
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5. Reflexes fof palatovelars
a. kʲ gʲ kʰʲ > ʃ d͡ʒ t͡ʃ
b. kʲ gʲ kʰʲ > ç ɟ c
c. suggest your own
6. Case System Reduction
a. Instrumental gone
b. Ablative gone
c. Both Ablative and Instrumental gone
d. No cases lost
7. With a possible Mesopotamian origin
a. Should we borrow words from Akkadian, Hurrian, Aramaic, and Sumerian
b. Or not?
8. Should we keep the dual
a. Yes
b.No
c. In some pronouns and special verbs only
9. Laryngeals are gone, but what happens
a. Suggest your own
b. Vowel- lengthening
10. Vowel Changes
a. Conservative for now
b. Suggest your own
Spoiler:
5. Reflexes fof palatovelars
a. kʲ gʲ kʰʲ > ʃ d͡ʒ t͡ʃ
b. kʲ gʲ kʰʲ > ç ɟ c
c. suggest your own
6. Case System Reduction
a. Instrumental gone
b. Ablative gone
c. Both Ablative and Instrumental gone
d. No cases lost
7. With a possible Mesopotamian origin
a. Should we borrow words from Akkadian, Hurrian, Aramaic, and Sumerian
b. Or not?
8. Should we keep the dual
a. Yes
b.No
c. In some pronouns and special verbs only
9. Laryngeals are gone, but what happens
a. Suggest your own
b. Vowel- lengthening
10. Vowel Changes
a. Conservative for now
b. Suggest your own
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5. a
6. b
7. Have a small "older layer" of Mesopotamian words, but have most borrowings be Caucasian
8. c
9. b + Vowel coloring, consonant devoicing and aspiration (à la Sanskrit).
6. b
7. Have a small "older layer" of Mesopotamian words, but have most borrowings be Caucasian
8. c
9. b + Vowel coloring, consonant devoicing and aspiration (à la Sanskrit).
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5. a
6. c
7. "Have a small "older layer" of Mesopotamian words, but have most borrowings be Caucasian" - I like this
8. c
9. b
10. a, for now
6. c
7. "Have a small "older layer" of Mesopotamian words, but have most borrowings be Caucasian" - I like this
8. c
9. b
10. a, for now
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang
5: c (ḱ ḱʰ ǵ > t͡ʃ t͡ʃʰ d͡ʒ)
6: d
7: a
8: a c
9: a (vo1dwalk3r's suggestion)
10: a
6: d
7: a
8: a c
9: a (vo1dwalk3r's suggestion)
10: a
Believe it or not, I haven't completely given up on that yet.
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5. C - kʲ gʲ kʰʲ > t͡ʃ d͡ʒ t͡ʃʰ (we retain all aspirates and figure something out later)
6. C
7. A
8. A
9. B - (vo1dwalk3r's suggestion)
10. B - Long diphthongs ending in /i/ become /iː/, ones ending in /u/ become /uː/. Long /e o/ become /i u/, and Short /e o/ remain the same.
6. C
7. A
8. A
9. B - (vo1dwalk3r's suggestion)
10. B - Long diphthongs ending in /i/ become /iː/, ones ending in /u/ become /uː/. Long /e o/ become /i u/, and Short /e o/ remain the same.
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5. a
6. b
7. a, but only as a small substratum
8. b
9. instead merge them as h or x
10. a
6. b
7. a, but only as a small substratum
8. b
9. instead merge them as h or x
10. a
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5. c (ḱ ḱʰ ǵ > ɕ t͡ɕ j)
6. a
7. b
8. c (pronouns only)
9. c (vo1dwalk3r's suggestion
10. a
6. a
7. b
8. c (pronouns only)
9. c (vo1dwalk3r's suggestion
10. a
The accusative of <emo> is <eminem>.
Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang
5. c (shimo's suggestion)
6. c
7. a (vo1dwalk3r's suggestion)
8. c
9. a (vo1dwalk3r's suggestion)
10. a
6. c
7. a (vo1dwalk3r's suggestion)
8. c
9. a (vo1dwalk3r's suggestion)
10. a
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang
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New Questions
11. Grassman's Law
a. Is applied
b. Is not applied
12. Optative and Aorist have become archaic
a. Retain
b. Eliminate
13. Syllable Final and Nucleus Syllabic Consonants
a. uC
b. aC
c. Suggest your own
14. Aspirates
a. Fricativize
b. Lose aspiration
c. Leave them alone
15. Case System Reduction
a.Locative Stays
b.Locative Goes
X. What words should we borrow? Akkadian words for copper, gold, king; Hurrian words for.... etc
a. Compile a list of words; We'll vote on a list later
X2. Can we test out our sound changes so far on PIE to see what it looks like now?
Spoiler:
11. Grassman's Law
a. Is applied
b. Is not applied
12. Optative and Aorist have become archaic
a. Retain
b. Eliminate
13. Syllable Final and Nucleus Syllabic Consonants
a. uC
b. aC
c. Suggest your own
14. Aspirates
a. Fricativize
b. Lose aspiration
c. Leave them alone
15. Case System Reduction
a.Locative Stays
b.Locative Goes
X. What words should we borrow? Akkadian words for copper, gold, king; Hurrian words for.... etc
a. Compile a list of words; We'll vote on a list later
X2. Can we test out our sound changes so far on PIE to see what it looks like now?
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11: b
12: b
13: b
14: a c
15: a
Just in case, could you clarify what you mean in question 12? And are we supposed to vote on the X questions?
12: b
13: b
14: a c
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Just in case, could you clarify what you mean in question 12? And are we supposed to vote on the X questions?
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We will vote on X later, but X2 is just a question/favor I am asking. For X1, I am just asking everyone to compile a list of words and then we can vote on that later.
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Re: New Weekly Indo European Collablang
My attempt at applying the sound changes we currently have (from questions 1-10) to some PIE words, taken from Wiktionary:
*óynos > /ˈojnos/ "one"
*dwóh₁ > /dwoː/ "two"
*tréyes > /ˈtrejes/ "three"
*kʷetwóres > /keˈtwores/ "four"
*pénkʷe > /ˈpenke/ "five"
*swéḱs > /swet͡ʃs/ "six"
*septḿ̥ > /sepˈtm̩/ "seven"
*oḱtṓw > /ot͡ʃˈtoːw/ "eight"
*h₁néwn̥ > /ˈn̥ewn̩~ˈnewn̩/ "nine"
*déḱm̥ > /ˈdet͡ʃm̩/ "ten"
I was going to do more, but we have so few sound changes at this point that I figured it should wait.
Regarding the reflex of *h₁néwn̥, I wasn't sure if the "consonant devoicing and aspiration" part of our rule about laryngeals also applies to sonorants like /n/, or just obstruents. To be safe, I included two possibilities.
Also, just to make sure I understand what I'm voting on for question 12, could you please clarify what you mean there?
*óynos > /ˈojnos/ "one"
*dwóh₁ > /dwoː/ "two"
*tréyes > /ˈtrejes/ "three"
*kʷetwóres > /keˈtwores/ "four"
*pénkʷe > /ˈpenke/ "five"
*swéḱs > /swet͡ʃs/ "six"
*septḿ̥ > /sepˈtm̩/ "seven"
*oḱtṓw > /ot͡ʃˈtoːw/ "eight"
*h₁néwn̥ > /ˈn̥ewn̩~ˈnewn̩/ "nine"
*déḱm̥ > /ˈdet͡ʃm̩/ "ten"
I was going to do more, but we have so few sound changes at this point that I figured it should wait.
Regarding the reflex of *h₁néwn̥, I wasn't sure if the "consonant devoicing and aspiration" part of our rule about laryngeals also applies to sonorants like /n/, or just obstruents. To be safe, I included two possibilities.
Edit: Neglected to merge velars and labiovelars.
Also, just to make sure I understand what I'm voting on for question 12, could you please clarify what you mean there?
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