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- Centum language
- Some stuff is very similar to Germanic. Their relation might be alike Baltic and Slavic languages.
- Lacks most "s mobile" sounds
The name of the lang "Tirbi" is related to English verb to starve, people's (the mortal ones') language.
Tirbish
Tirbish
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Re: Tirbish
Consonant changes
PIE 'aspirated voiced' series of stops becomes plain voiced, like in Germanic.
bh dh gh -> b d g
The 'voiceless' series stays voiceless.
p t k -> p t k
The 'voiced' series is devoiced and merges with the voiceless series.
b d g -> p t k
Nasal + voiced stop clusters become voiced implosive stops. They are written as geminate voiced stops.
mb nd ng -> ɓ ɗ ɠ
Later changes
t and k are lenited to s and ʃ respectively between vowels.*
'Father' for example is psār.
* I still have to see if there is something alike Verner's law.
PIE 'aspirated voiced' series of stops becomes plain voiced, like in Germanic.
bh dh gh -> b d g
The 'voiceless' series stays voiceless.
p t k -> p t k
The 'voiced' series is devoiced and merges with the voiceless series.
b d g -> p t k
Nasal + voiced stop clusters become voiced implosive stops. They are written as geminate voiced stops.
mb nd ng -> ɓ ɗ ɠ
Later changes
t and k are lenited to s and ʃ respectively between vowels.*
'Father' for example is psār.
* I still have to see if there is something alike Verner's law.
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Re: Tirbish
Vowels
The vowel inventory is quite simple:
Long vowels are the basic 5: a:, e:, i:, o:, u: <ā, ē, ī, ō, ū>
Short vowels are: a, ə, ɪ, ʊ <a, e, i, u>
Long vowels can only appear in open syllables.
Schwa cannot appear in stressed syllables.
Sort and long a and a: seem to differ only by quantity.
Deriving the vowels properly from PIE is quite a task because all Indoeuropeanists seem to reconstruct them differently.
The vowel inventory is quite simple:
Long vowels are the basic 5: a:, e:, i:, o:, u: <ā, ē, ī, ō, ū>
Short vowels are: a, ə, ɪ, ʊ <a, e, i, u>
Long vowels can only appear in open syllables.
Schwa cannot appear in stressed syllables.
Sort and long a and a: seem to differ only by quantity.
Deriving the vowels properly from PIE is quite a task because all Indoeuropeanists seem to reconstruct them differently.
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Re: Tirbish
This vowel inventory reminds me of Sanskrit, Sanskrit has a similar asymmetrical inventory in vowel lengths, but not exactly the sameOmzinesý wrote: ↑25 Jul 2018 14:50 Vowels
The vowel inventory is quite simple:
Long vowels are the basic 5: a:, e:, i:, o:, u: <ā, ē, ī, ō, ū>
Short vowels are: a, ə, ɪ, ʊ <a, e, i, u>
Long vowels can only appear in open syllables.
Schwa cannot appear in stressed syllables.
Sort and long a and a: seem to differ only by quantity.
Deriving the vowels properly from PIE is quite a task because all Indoeuropeanists seem to reconstruct them differently.
I prefer to not be referred to with masculine pronouns and nouns such as “he/him/his”.
Re: Tirbish
Neat! I am interested to see this develop!
So is the inventory something like:
/m n/
/p b t d k g/
/s/
/r l j w/
With /t k/ to [ s ʃ ] intervoclaically.
How will you handle the so called laryngeals?
So is the inventory something like:
/m n/
/p b t d k g/
/s/
/r l j w/
With /t k/ to [ s ʃ ] intervoclaically.
How will you handle the so called laryngeals?
Re: Tirbish
Yes, the ideas for vowel the system and nominal inflections come mostly from Hindi.k1234567890y wrote: ↑27 Jul 2018 21:29This vowel inventory reminds me of Sanskrit, Sanskrit has a similar asymmetrical inventory in vowel lengths, but not exactly the sameOmzinesý wrote: ↑25 Jul 2018 14:50 Vowels
The vowel inventory is quite simple:
Long vowels are the basic 5: a:, e:, i:, o:, u: <ā, ē, ī, ō, ū>
Short vowels are: a, ə, ɪ, ʊ <a, e, i, u>
Long vowels can only appear in open syllables.
Schwa cannot appear in stressed syllables.
Sort and long a and a: seem to differ only by quantity.
Deriving the vowels properly from PIE is quite a task because all Indoeuropeanists seem to reconstruct them differently.
Historically Sanskrit however merges all PIE *a(?), *e, and *o. That does not happen in Tibrish.
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Re: Tirbish
Very much like that. Implosives and sibilants are phonemic in modern language, though.
When it comes to laryngeals, I think it's best to derive the lang from some "later" version of PIE where the laryngeals are lost. That is the handling of laryngeals is very close to real PIE langs.
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