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This is my a-posteriori PIE project and a renewed version of Bsarhus viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5808

- Centum language
- Some stuff is very similar to Germanic. Their relation might be alike Baltic and Slavic languages.
- Lacks most "s mobile" sounds

The name of the lang "Tirbi" is related to English verb to starve, people's (the mortal ones') language.
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Consonant changes

PIE 'aspirated voiced' series of stops becomes plain voiced, like in Germanic.
bh dh gh -> b d g

The 'voiceless' series stays voiceless.
p t k -> p t k

The 'voiced' series is devoiced and merges with the voiceless series.
b d g -> p t k

Nasal + voiced stop clusters become voiced implosive stops. They are written as geminate voiced stops.
mb nd ng -> ɓ ɗ ɠ



Later changes
t and k are lenited to s and ʃ respectively between vowels.*

'Father' for example is psār.





* I still have to see if there is something alike Verner's law.
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Vowels

The vowel inventory is quite simple:
Long vowels are the basic 5: a:, e:, i:, o:, u: <ā, ē, ī, ō, ū>
Short vowels are: a, ə, ɪ, ʊ <a, e, i, u>

Long vowels can only appear in open syllables.
Schwa cannot appear in stressed syllables.
Sort and long a and a: seem to differ only by quantity.


Deriving the vowels properly from PIE is quite a task because all Indoeuropeanists seem to reconstruct them differently.
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Omzinesý wrote: 25 Jul 2018 14:50 Vowels

The vowel inventory is quite simple:
Long vowels are the basic 5: a:, e:, i:, o:, u: <ā, ē, ī, ō, ū>
Short vowels are: a, ə, ɪ, ʊ <a, e, i, u>

Long vowels can only appear in open syllables.
Schwa cannot appear in stressed syllables.
Sort and long a and a: seem to differ only by quantity.


Deriving the vowels properly from PIE is quite a task because all Indoeuropeanists seem to reconstruct them differently.
This vowel inventory reminds me of Sanskrit, Sanskrit has a similar asymmetrical inventory in vowel lengths, but not exactly the same
I prefer to not be referred to with masculine pronouns and nouns such as “he/him/his”.
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Neat! I am interested to see this develop!
So is the inventory something like:
/m n/
/p b t d k g/
/s/
/r l j w/
With /t k/ to [ s ʃ ] intervoclaically.
How will you handle the so called laryngeals?
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k1234567890y wrote: 27 Jul 2018 21:29
Omzinesý wrote: 25 Jul 2018 14:50 Vowels

The vowel inventory is quite simple:
Long vowels are the basic 5: a:, e:, i:, o:, u: <ā, ē, ī, ō, ū>
Short vowels are: a, ə, ɪ, ʊ <a, e, i, u>

Long vowels can only appear in open syllables.
Schwa cannot appear in stressed syllables.
Sort and long a and a: seem to differ only by quantity.


Deriving the vowels properly from PIE is quite a task because all Indoeuropeanists seem to reconstruct them differently.
This vowel inventory reminds me of Sanskrit, Sanskrit has a similar asymmetrical inventory in vowel lengths, but not exactly the same
Yes, the ideas for vowel the system and nominal inflections come mostly from Hindi.
Historically Sanskrit however merges all PIE *a(?), *e, and *o. That does not happen in Tibrish.
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Nachtuil wrote: 28 Jul 2018 13:40 Neat! I am interested to see this develop!
So is the inventory something like:
/m n/
/p b t d k g/
/s/
/r l j w/
With /t k/ to [ s ʃ ] intervoclaically.
How will you handle the so called laryngeals?
Very much like that. Implosives and sibilants are phonemic in modern language, though.

When it comes to laryngeals, I think it's best to derive the lang from some "later" version of PIE where the laryngeals are lost. That is the handling of laryngeals is very close to real PIE langs.
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