Micalangs Scratchpad
Micalangs Scratchpad
I have no idea what I'm doing anymore.
Xuína:
/t k ʔ ʦ ʧ s ʃ x χ n j a i ɯ/ <t k ʔ c č s š x x̌ n y a i u>
Prosodically Xuína has two syllable types: "Reduced" syllables of the form CV, and "Full" syllables of the form CV́V CVV́ CVʔ. CV́V have a falling tone and CVV́ a rising tone, with CV and CVʔ syllables tone-neutral. Every syllable except the final one must be a full syllable, and the final one must be reduced, unless the word is a monosyllable. Each word thus loses some of its phonemic information as it undergoes final vowel devoicing.
Some example simple clauses:
huánáaʔa nuʔkiási
hua2<na2a>'a-0 nu'kia2si
rise<PERF>-3sg.ABS sun
The sun rose.
čáihuáʔa nuʔkiási
cha2i=hua2<0>'a-0 nu'kia2si
PROG=rise<IMPERF>-3sg.ABS sun
The sun is rising.
xaá čáihuáʔa nuʔkiási?
xaa2 cha2i=hua2<0>'a-0 nu'kia2si
Q PROG=rise<IMPERF>-3sg.ABS sun
Is the sun rising?
caʔ, yií čáihuáʔa nuʔkiási
ca' yii2 cha2i=hua2<0>'a-0 nu'kia2si
NO NEG PROG=rise<IMPERF>-3sg.ABS sun
No, the sun is not rising.
EDIT: Modified the examples because I'm utterly incompetent
EDIT 2: I installed an extension that lets me change the font of the CBB forums to Charis SIL, so I added back in the uvular fricative since it doesn't look so ugly anymore
Xuína:
/t k ʔ ʦ ʧ s ʃ x χ n j a i ɯ/ <t k ʔ c č s š x x̌ n y a i u>
Prosodically Xuína has two syllable types: "Reduced" syllables of the form CV, and "Full" syllables of the form CV́V CVV́ CVʔ. CV́V have a falling tone and CVV́ a rising tone, with CV and CVʔ syllables tone-neutral. Every syllable except the final one must be a full syllable, and the final one must be reduced, unless the word is a monosyllable. Each word thus loses some of its phonemic information as it undergoes final vowel devoicing.
Some example simple clauses:
huánáaʔa nuʔkiási
hua2<na2a>'a-0 nu'kia2si
rise<PERF>-3sg.ABS sun
The sun rose.
čáihuáʔa nuʔkiási
cha2i=hua2<0>'a-0 nu'kia2si
PROG=rise<IMPERF>-3sg.ABS sun
The sun is rising.
xaá čáihuáʔa nuʔkiási?
xaa2 cha2i=hua2<0>'a-0 nu'kia2si
Q PROG=rise<IMPERF>-3sg.ABS sun
Is the sun rising?
caʔ, yií čáihuáʔa nuʔkiási
ca' yii2 cha2i=hua2<0>'a-0 nu'kia2si
NO NEG PROG=rise<IMPERF>-3sg.ABS sun
No, the sun is not rising.
EDIT: Modified the examples because I'm utterly incompetent
EDIT 2: I installed an extension that lets me change the font of the CBB forums to Charis SIL, so I added back in the uvular fricative since it doesn't look so ugly anymore
Last edited by Micamo on 08 Aug 2018 19:13, edited 3 times in total.
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Re: Micalangs Scratchpad
Neat idea. How does it work for monosyllabic words? No final vowel devoicing there? I suspect suffixation saves syllables from being word final?
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Re: Micalangs Scratchpad
Yes, each final syllable in a root has an "expanded form" that surfaces when suffixation happens. Monosyllables don't undergo final vowel devoicing.
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Re: Micalangs Scratchpad
I like the phonotactics. Good to have you back.
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Re: Micalangs Scratchpad
I like the aesthetic (surprise!), and I look forward to seeing more.
I couldn’t help noticing that in a recent post in another thread you posted a sample of this (?) language with an x with a diaeresis. That combined with /x x/ makes me wonder if you were considering a uvular fricative for this inventory? Personally I think that would be really neat in spite of (or rather because of) the lack of a corresponding uvular stop.
Also, a question: How is <ua> pronounced? Is it [ɯa] [wa] or sth else? Given your phonotactics I’m guessing the first vowel becomes non-syllabic? Is that always the case?
/t k ʔ ʦ ʧ s ʃ x χ n j a i ɯ/ <t k ʔ c č s š x n y a i u>
I couldn’t help noticing that in a recent post in another thread you posted a sample of this (?) language with an x with a diaeresis. That combined with /x x/ makes me wonder if you were considering a uvular fricative for this inventory? Personally I think that would be really neat in spite of (or rather because of) the lack of a corresponding uvular stop.
Also, a question: How is <ua> pronounced? Is it [ɯa] [wa] or sth else? Given your phonotactics I’m guessing the first vowel becomes non-syllabic? Is that always the case?
Re: Micalangs Scratchpad
I originally wanted an x-with-charon that represents a uvular fricative (with no corresponding /q/) but this forum's font doesn't like it and it doesn't display properly. The diareses was a compromise measure but I decided I'd rather just remove it altogether.
It's [ɯa]. Whether the first or the second vowel in a CVV sequence gets deleted during reduction is irregular, so when specifying morphemes you have to show both the fully expanded form used when non-final, and the reduced form when final.
Edit: Test: x x̌ X X̌
yeah
It's [ɯa]. Whether the first or the second vowel in a CVV sequence gets deleted during reduction is irregular, so when specifying morphemes you have to show both the fully expanded form used when non-final, and the reduced form when final.
Edit: Test: x x̌ X X̌
yeah
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Re: Micalangs Scratchpad
Caron? maybe?
Isn’t Charon the gondolier of the Styx?
Isn’t Charon the gondolier of the Styx?
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Re: Micalangs Scratchpad
I think you should go for it, be it with carons or diaereses.Micamo wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018 09:15 I originally wanted an x-with-charon that represents a uvular fricative (with no corresponding /q/) but this forum's font doesn't like it and it doesn't display properly. The diareses was a compromise measure but I decided I'd rather just remove it altogether.
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Edit: Test: x x̌ X X̌
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Re: Micalangs Scratchpad
I liked the dieresis better.
Re: Micalangs Scratchpad
Another aesthetic. Untitled as of yet.
mbäbaŋo ndzumbobö dzadzü ŋgümbɔ
dzo jejï mindɛba dzündä mdzidzɛ̈bä njaŋɛ̈ jäjä
ŋdzïdzɛ̈ dzëgë ŋdɛmŋäŋi ŋbadzɛ ndzämgöfä ndzɔbɔ
julaga mdzamfɛ fämdzäjɔ nbepɛ wafɔ dzaŋta
dzämbambä nbeyägɛ mŋändzü njɛmgëtsɛ̈ ŋdumbö möŋkü
ŋdzɔ̈mgö fɔ̈npö jɛnfɛ fiŋbëmji ŋnönunjä mbügu biŋgɛ
mbäbaŋo ndzumbobö dzadzü ŋgümbɔ
dzo jejï mindɛba dzündä mdzidzɛ̈bä njaŋɛ̈ jäjä
ŋdzïdzɛ̈ dzëgë ŋdɛmŋäŋi ŋbadzɛ ndzämgöfä ndzɔbɔ
julaga mdzamfɛ fämdzäjɔ nbepɛ wafɔ dzaŋta
dzämbambä nbeyägɛ mŋändzü njɛmgëtsɛ̈ ŋdumbö möŋkü
ŋdzɔ̈mgö fɔ̈npö jɛnfɛ fiŋbëmji ŋnönunjä mbügu biŋgɛ
Re: Micalangs Scratchpad
Nice, looks like Dinka. What does the diaresis stand for?
Re: Micalangs Scratchpad
Breathy vowels, probably.
Re: Micalangs Scratchpad
Another aesthetic, also unnamed:
yɨ́hpʼíląhtʰį pį́hšʰáh čʰɨ̨́šičįhyǫ́h
sąhkʼahnǫ kįhpʼohčʼąhsʰóh
pʼóhnįhpʰą́ čišohwóhpʼocʼɨ̨h mihsihnɨ̨čápʰǫ́sį́
cʰąmáh lǫ́cą́šoh pʰį́nąčʰɨ̨́hyį́cʰóhtah sʰɨhpácʼoh tɨ́šʰǫ́hpʼɨhkʰǫhwáh
šʰǫhpǫhtɨ́ pʰáhčʰayąnɨ́hya yǫ́tʼɨ́hkʼɨ̨hčʼɨ̨h sɨ̨́hnɨ̨́pį́hkʰíh
kʰáhsʰahčʼɨ casáhtá nį́sónǫ́h šɨ̨hnį́sɨ́ čʰǫ́hkʼąhpą
yɨ́hpʼíląhtʰį pį́hšʰáh čʰɨ̨́šičįhyǫ́h
sąhkʼahnǫ kįhpʼohčʼąhsʰóh
pʼóhnįhpʰą́ čišohwóhpʼocʼɨ̨h mihsihnɨ̨čápʰǫ́sį́
cʰąmáh lǫ́cą́šoh pʰį́nąčʰɨ̨́hyį́cʰóhtah sʰɨhpácʼoh tɨ́šʰǫ́hpʼɨhkʰǫhwáh
šʰǫhpǫhtɨ́ pʰáhčʰayąnɨ́hya yǫ́tʼɨ́hkʼɨ̨hčʼɨ̨h sɨ̨́hnɨ̨́pį́hkʰíh
kʰáhsʰahčʼɨ casáhtá nį́sónǫ́h šɨ̨hnį́sɨ́ čʰǫ́hkʼąhpą
Re: Micalangs Scratchpad
Found a file on my hard drive titled "absoluteshit.txt" and found this inside. Don't remember writing any of it.
yiich'ikwan'ene k'uuwi san'axi xhwas'
weyiilashwahane x'uutsatet
tlehana'awu tlekushiinane xh'we tlehanet y'iina
yiishisalkyaak'ne xh'we wesay'anetsene sh'iixwalasket
I saw your face in the sky on that last day
The gods had carved your smile in starlight
You said "The saddest song is not the one that goes unheard, but unsung"
Though I cried out your name, only the wind dried my tears.
kómaikóhi píoxí bikóhi tixaópi
yobáko maióhotaóya maóxokó xái
kómaikóhi hiókohi tixaópi
xáko to níwaokó pápao bi xái
yawaó nibixó paí nibáyixó tionaí haí
Look for me in the untouched places
Where the streams are gilded by time
Look for me in the silent places
Where the word has no power
Though I may not speak, I always hear
yiich'ikwan'ene k'uuwi san'axi xhwas'
weyiilashwahane x'uutsatet
tlehana'awu tlekushiinane xh'we tlehanet y'iina
yiishisalkyaak'ne xh'we wesay'anetsene sh'iixwalasket
I saw your face in the sky on that last day
The gods had carved your smile in starlight
You said "The saddest song is not the one that goes unheard, but unsung"
Though I cried out your name, only the wind dried my tears.
kómaikóhi píoxí bikóhi tixaópi
yobáko maióhotaóya maóxokó xái
kómaikóhi hiókohi tixaópi
xáko to níwaokó pápao bi xái
yawaó nibixó paí nibáyixó tionaí haí
Look for me in the untouched places
Where the streams are gilded by time
Look for me in the silent places
Where the word has no power
Though I may not speak, I always hear
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I kinda like it!
I’d say any critic who called it “absolute shit” was, to say the least, overly harsh.
I’d say any critic who called it “absolute shit” was, to say the least, overly harsh.
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Re: Micalangs Scratchpad
Needs a better title!Micamo wrote: ↑11 Aug 2018 16:24 Found a file on my hard drive titled "absoluteshit.txt" and found this inside. Don't remember writing any of it.
I saw your face in the sky on that last day
The gods had carved your smile in starlight
You said "The saddest song is not the one that goes unheard, but unsung"
Though I cried out your name, only the wind dried my tears.
Look for me in the untouched places
Where the streams are gilded by time
Look for me in the silent places
Where the word has no power
Though I may not speak, I always hear
I think it's beautiful.
Re: Micalangs Scratchpad
I don't like this
x̌aʔki húani náayuúki cáixaíki šáu
sáanuʔxi yúuhíisa naʔyaáhi čuúhíiniʔta
"ciʔ káuyúusa niáki yií x̌iʔčiíni saá kaʔyúuni" šaí níi
saá x̌aʔyaʔta xuíni, haú sáašiʔhu suʔsuúsa kaʔyaʔhíix̌a
x̌aʔki húani náayuúki cáixaíki šáu
sáanuʔxi yúuhíisa naʔyaáhi čuúhíiniʔta
"ciʔ káuyúusa niáki yií x̌iʔčiíni saá kaʔyúuni" šaí níi
saá x̌aʔyaʔta xuíni, haú sáašiʔhu suʔsuúsa kaʔyaʔhíix̌a
Spoiler:
Re: Micalangs Scratchpad
Taking some suggestions from Des, Xuina 2.0:
niʔciúcaʔhahxuhča suhʔaáhíučahxu iíyiúčihnahšiʔcúuʔu náiʔúašuʔyuʔya uʔhuʔyaúhaúkuʔcahyi
nuʔhihcaúyúicuhʔa ʔáuʔaúsáinahxu úukiákiíháusihʔuúči iíčúuyuhyihx̌uhxuási
úutuhʔaúkiátuʔši uíšiíhuhyúiyíaca aʔsahʔihčahxaʔsa ahʔíusuhnáuna aáxiʔxaʔkuácúacaúxa
aáhihkiʔxaáxuʔx̌a ihnahx̌ihčuʔšu iúxuʔšíišiʔnáuhuhxi íasahsahxuhšaáni
niʔciúcaʔhahxuhča suhʔaáhíučahxu iíyiúčihnahšiʔcúuʔu náiʔúašuʔyuʔya uʔhuʔyaúhaúkuʔcahyi
nuʔhihcaúyúicuhʔa ʔáuʔaúsáinahxu úukiákiíháusihʔuúči iíčúuyuhyihx̌uhxuási
úutuhʔaúkiátuʔši uíšiíhuhyúiyíaca aʔsahʔihčahxaʔsa ahʔíusuhnáuna aáxiʔxaʔkuácúacaúxa
aáhihkiʔxaáxuʔx̌a ihnahx̌ihčuʔšu iúxuʔšíišiʔnáuhuhxi íasahsahxuhšaáni
Re: Micalangs Scratchpad
hmmmm
spʼɨ́hkʰǫhsʰóšʰiyɨ̨́hštʼɨ́ cʼǫ́scą́scʼǫšwįmį́hsnɨ̨́
syǫščą́hscíʔškʼočo kʰǫspʼǫ́ʔšlɨhšmą́hmɨ̨
wɨ̨́hsyósɨ̨́tʰɨ̨cɨ̨́ cɨyįkǫʔsʰah swóstą́šyą́mɨ́
scʰihšʰį́snítoh skʰɨ́šwǫ́mohspʰɨh pʼásmíʔyǫ́hpąpą́hyįh
pʰiswą́cįʔkʰɨ mɨ́škʰóʔnɨtʼą́h spʰɨ́ʔspʼɨ̨smǫlohsya
pʰį́hšpʼotʰɨ̨́spʰįssą́šsʰą́ tʼóʔwǫʔspʰóštʼįʔšpʰį́ pʰɨsmąyą́ʔšníʔsnǫ
yǫʔslǫhšnocá yašyɨ̨ʔskʼįhwišyɨ̨ šʰíhskahčʼɨmɨ̨́kʰá
wǫ́hswíhsyą́hnǫ́nįh škʼíhwą́ʔskóhcomí
spʼɨ́hkʰǫhsʰóšʰiyɨ̨́hštʼɨ́ cʼǫ́scą́scʼǫšwįmį́hsnɨ̨́
syǫščą́hscíʔškʼočo kʰǫspʼǫ́ʔšlɨhšmą́hmɨ̨
wɨ̨́hsyósɨ̨́tʰɨ̨cɨ̨́ cɨyįkǫʔsʰah swóstą́šyą́mɨ́
scʰihšʰį́snítoh skʰɨ́šwǫ́mohspʰɨh pʼásmíʔyǫ́hpąpą́hyįh
pʰiswą́cįʔkʰɨ mɨ́škʰóʔnɨtʼą́h spʰɨ́ʔspʼɨ̨smǫlohsya
pʰį́hšpʼotʰɨ̨́spʰįssą́šsʰą́ tʼóʔwǫʔspʰóštʼįʔšpʰį́ pʰɨsmąyą́ʔšníʔsnǫ
yǫʔslǫhšnocá yašyɨ̨ʔskʼįhwišyɨ̨ šʰíhskahčʼɨmɨ̨́kʰá
wǫ́hswíhsyą́hnǫ́nįh škʼíhwą́ʔskóhcomí
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This looks quite nice. Personally, I feel the glottal stop symbol makes the sample too heavy if it makes sense. I'd probably prefer if you used something else, perhaps the apostrophe?Micamo wrote: ↑12 Aug 2018 21:06 Taking some suggestions from Des, Xuina 2.0:
niʔciúcaʔhahxuhča suhʔaáhíučahxu iíyiúčihnahšiʔcúuʔu náiʔúašuʔyuʔya uʔhuʔyaúhaúkuʔcahyi
nuʔhihcaúyúicuhʔa ʔáuʔaúsáinahxu úukiákiíháusihʔuúči iíčúuyuhyihx̌uhxuási
úutuhʔaúkiátuʔši uíšiíhuhyúiyíaca aʔsahʔihčahxaʔsa ahʔíusuhnáuna aáxiʔxaʔkuácúacaúxa
aáhihkiʔxaáxuʔx̌a ihnahx̌ihčuʔšu iúxuʔšíišiʔnáuhuhxi íasahsahxuhšaáni