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 Post subject: Re: Siųa
PostPosted: Wed 09 Feb 2011, 21:40 
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Hmm. I would expect some kind of leveling in that situation, where the /ŋ/ just ends up falling in with the rest of the pattern, but that might just be me.

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 Post subject: Re: Siųa
PostPosted: Wed 09 Feb 2011, 22:55 
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It doesn't resemble Sami much anymore. I consider your phonology even too complicated to master. Maybe it gets clearer if I'll look it longer.

Why are geminates written vC? Are they?


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 Post subject: Re: Siųa
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/m n l s v/ are written <vm vn vl vs vv> when long.
The reason for the <v> is not really relevant anymore. Consider it a quirk, I guess.


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 Post subject: Re: Siųa
PostPosted: Mon 14 Feb 2011, 01:52 
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Here is a preview, a little text.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/48761410/Forest-Praise


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 Post subject: Re: Siųa
PostPosted: Mon 14 Feb 2011, 18:49 
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This is a cool text. I have a question though. Do the Siwa have writing?

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 Post subject: Re: Siųa
PostPosted: Mon 14 Feb 2011, 20:50 
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Yes!
They don't use the latin alphabet in the setting, because that would make no sense.
They have an extensive system of pictographs, common to all of Alopian people. I only have very few examples available right now.
They were used to mark territory, convey messages, for names (often tattooed) and generally just markings.

I have a full conscript that I use very often, but I'm still hesitating to give it to the Alopian people, because it doesn't really fit the context. I was actually writing the text above in the script yesterday and took a vague picture.
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This is from a diary I keep in the alphabet.
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 Post subject: Re: Siųa
PostPosted: Mon 14 Feb 2011, 21:11 
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It looks like Tamil!


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 Post subject: Re: Siųa
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Alopians are in North America, right? Or is it just a setting somewhat like North America? What's the level of technology? What do they right the pictographs on?

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 Post subject: Re: Siųa
PostPosted: Tue 15 Feb 2011, 06:18 
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Oh, that conscript looks great!

I will comment on the other stuff when I've looked it all over.

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 Post subject: Re: Siųa
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roninbodhisattva wrote:
Alopians are in North America, right? Or is it just a setting somewhat like North America? What's the level of technology? What do they right the pictographs on?


Yep. Alopians are in Quebec, more precisely.

Here is a preview of the intro to the Alopians and Siwa.
This should answer questions. Although if you have more, DO do ask.


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 Post subject: Re: Siųa
PostPosted: Tue 15 Feb 2011, 23:12 
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The migration across the Atlantic and Uralic contact seem like a little bit of stretch to me...

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 Post subject: Re: Siųa
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Why? Basque people did it regularly, so did Icelanders, and possibly much earlier people of the X MtDNA Haplogroup.
Only about 15 people can easily get a people through in case of a population bottleneck.
10,000 years ago most of the North-Atlantic was covered in Ice.


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 Post subject: Re: Siųa
PostPosted: Sun 27 Feb 2011, 18:04 
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I'm redesigning the format or my dictionary and I'd like to ask if you believe there is anything important missing, or just general ideas as to how to make it better. Right now there is a lot of space because I only started working on this like two days ago and it's a fairly slow process (compiling from like 90000 sources)

But there you go:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/49643734/LEXICON


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 Post subject: Re: Siųa
PostPosted: Wed 02 Mar 2011, 10:45 
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I hope you don't mind if I fail at constructive criticism; there's just so much to read! I just have a question that's been bothering me for a while, and it's not really about the language itself...

When you mean "hundreds of pages", what goes into that? How long are sections? I'm just really curious, because my language notebooks feel so... skimpy compared to what I think Siųa is, and even the phonology. Your phonology is longer than the document that covers my whole language (albeit excluding the wordlist). So kudos on that, and I hope Siųa has a bright future!

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 Post subject: Re: Siųa
PostPosted: Wed 02 Mar 2011, 21:44 
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Well, when I say hundreds of pages I mean that I have many many pages of description.
Right now, and for the last months, I've been describing the verbs. I try to say everything there is to say about each part, by giving plenty of examples for each. I try to describe the use of everything in reasonable detail. But I often feel like I assume a lot of knowledge of the language from the reader.

I'm just shy about the English in the description. I feel like I can't make it sound good enough, just yet.
And there are so many inconsistencies when you have so much text, that I am constant reading everything I write to make sure everything is fine.


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 Post subject: Re: Siųa
PostPosted: Wed 02 Mar 2011, 22:00 
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Wow. Sorry, I'm at work and I just reread what I wrote. Don't mind the insignificance.


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 Post subject: Re: Siųa
PostPosted: Wed 16 Mar 2011, 21:15 
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Here are a few glossed texts.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/50884645/Si%C ... ssed-texts


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 Post subject: Re: Siųa
PostPosted: Mon 04 Apr 2011, 00:54 
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INTERESTING EXAMPLES!

ehhamuasu kostomu dobmibma tapakka osi na
[ˈeh:ɑmuɑsu ˈkʰɔstɔmu ˈdɔʔpmɪʔpma ˈtʰɑpaʔka ˈɔsi na]
ehhamua-su kost-om-u-Ø dob=m-ibma tapak-ka osi na
detailed-cop.hab.transl.ass carve-past-pat.part-act handle-allat knife-gen 2p.sg.pron-loc ass.part
‘your carvings onto the handle of the blade are becoming detailed, I see’

dįikkate ṡindi atakka imanatįu oakibma ga kỉtkaisi satsi
[ˈʥɪʔkɑde ˈɕɪnʥi ˈɑtaʔka iˈmɑnɑʨu ˈɔaɟɪʔpma ga ˈcʰi:tkɑisi ˈsɑtsi]
Ø-dįikk-a-te ṡimi-di atan-ka i-man-a-tįu oak=ibma g-a kỉtkais-i s-atsi-Ø
tr-display-tr-link.adv bear.head-gen big-gen dit-come-tr-link.temp home-alat cop.past-ass smell.like.pitch-cop.past.ass 2p.pat-father-act
‘your father smelled like pitch when he came home bearing proudly a big bear head’


atyvmusta-ha de tįỉd-mo!
[ɑˈtym:ʊsta: de ˈʨi:ʥmo]
a-tyv-m-u-sta–ha de tįi<Ø>i-d–mo
transl-fat-inconl-ass.transl-pers–ass this.ina baby.stat–this.ina
‘this baby just keeps on getting fatter!’

usotsi tonta osomu te iįuri eukake ẻgika haįa se
[uˈsɔtsi ˈtʰɔnta ˈɔsɔmu de ˈijuri ˈeugaɟe ˈe:jiga ˈhɑja ˈse]
u-sot-s-i tom=ta osomu-Ø te iįuri-Ø euk-a-ke ẻgi=ka hai-a s-e
pass-give-hab-ass.concl.tr together ash-dat and spruce.pitch-dat produce-tr-link.goal 3p.pron.pl=elat glue-gen cop.hab.concl-infer.indic
‘ash and spruce pitch are mixed together to produce glue/gum’ (lit. ash and spruce pitch are given together so that/to produce out of them gum)


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 Post subject: Re: Siųa
PostPosted: Thu 04 Aug 2011, 03:16 
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It's still very much alive and being described, and being used a lot. This text is about the displacement of a population of wolves whose size had become a problem. The title means "displacing the wolves". I know it's of no use for you really.
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Here is a super rough list of words if you'd like to get a gist of what is being said:


tatska - to consider
kokkora nįanka - with a still mind
todattara - independently, freely, by oneself
sainia - secure, safe
kadla - enough
mikųa - to celebrate, to make a feast
saimra - alder
saumsukis - alder personification
-ɨkis - personification
uohke - for the honor of, for, to honor
tůsůkis - personified god
tõkkiauki - litter (lit. the borne ones)
tsġůli - skull (tsġůliska - the small skulls)
saiske - to cause, to lead to, (saskora)
sikka - to leave (alone), send back, to push back
pỉhku - , causative of pihlu, to be possible
tįenka - to diminish, make smaller
ỉ·tanta - number of members, livestock (ỉ- life, tanta < tami, maniness)
gagemima - compassion
keṡa - for (from someone, towards someone [of feelings])
keto - to look for, to search
gegna - den
tat·o·keu·i - to join something
tauri - warrior (pl. army)
seto - threat, shadow, loom
tama·kįuṡe - to infringe upon, to threaten
raibma (naraibma) - against
otįomi - to come together, to unite
nůvku - plan (nůk- to draw in sand, to make a plan, to make a strategy, to plan an attack)
tůnůksi - attack leader, planner
katakeki - to remove out of a place, to displace, to eliminate (place out)
ỉlasyvv- to propose, to show something to a group of people (show forward to)
sủrrie - sharp-toothed, tightly toothed
rỉ - tooth
(sủrka - tight, in tight rows)
tảiga ahtuttaita - take action (stand into doings)
atkanokka - wolf (tail-call)
pesamara - courageously (by being corageous, < pes-)
nikimi - the deaths
sini - probably not
saykla - to protect
oibu - to prepare, arm, weapon
tįita - only now, just now, newly
tsavmuri - thick forest
oḥia - all of a sudden
tįem- - to crawl out, appear from, to loom
saihna - inlet (poaksaihna - seal inlet)
moakįutįi - hunting territory
tatovvu - to spread somewhere

Here is the text with more of the story:

Quote:
- Katakekimi tatakka da -

„Niraimaka de sahõrima-ni yvma somi raįa nenima ỏdni onta seįamuka te tamįeįetta-mi te takeutảimotta-mi, sini tįita katta katitįemutta oḥia tsavmuhkika ỉlma tosġamibma tsutta moakįutįima-uri poaksaihnaka tatanovvuma tatraka atakka tavmi.
Tamủla tei omuki atkanokkamo, ga sauvla ari ymỷla nikimi. Tảumigagga-ha tei ahtuttaita, oibumi ari pesamara saykla maskika-ha daita aḥ-atrika mosomattai sủrriedi.
Euruagga on, dotįomiṡigga katta tamakįuṡematta raibma osaykliṡigga taga.
Mega ỉlisyvvuehimi nůvkumi katakekike kimi tatrua tsamṡika-ha de:

Komo na ypalaṡi setue tatakka tỏmo te bama, tatokemu taga tautįaita-ha. Totįu on keidigga rumuma, kisvoavvatįu maįa tatraka da osmuma, ketougga ka gegnari sihiska ảlnidi ỉnka te katakekieįa on ẻg on taįa donei tõkkiauki. Iremugga on bidįis riema nuįa odegga, gagemimatta sikuvti on ba oksia me mosomattai-mo tįegmari-ha hotamattai keṡa. Kisvoavvamuįagga. Mimi on iįomu tįenkami ỉtantaka da, pỉhkaba ka savla besġimara kemỉngisa da. Mena on saibba sikka gegnahta sironukite daika įu tiebba sůskemi dįatutta eppimara eukkaime daikaįa. Hevna-ha on gatkedami bidįis tủ ruoma sironu oakibma, atatįivla įu tsġůliska saimrakita tatantůsůkihi uohke. Misa te ohủdni mikųake kimi tįita savla besġimatta saumsukihi te ủri dỉgįa da.

Taįu mes kadle sainia todattara eųoskisa belraita-ha daita, kokkora nįanka gi poskisa. Tatskaguri ỉlasyvvuttami te tatokemiguri dỉgįitaba.“
Mimi anettu ỉddįa ogika sẻhkonomutta. Tỏhnỉgi on, sipi pekohi gįekehi kỉnguilas tane. Livlu gone ỉlkỏimo, davkỏ olke ari tủ tatakka siranuttai dỉgįika. Mohkįu te ỉnka sẻhkaṡimi, eukkara iṡitủta savi megi tane.
Mekųitįu me nůirrigi tei usikkita ylymia įevti ykkydlyma, nuppaiaga ari mõskaba ůrįů daįa. Komo muhkia atsiokia on ketiasta kįamnutta nỉta somie, sę katta isaiskoi siddeki tįęvme ekkeukonsittika.
Ahha taįu on ukeuvli dįatkohma, ogia komõḥi sikuta bẻ onatsaiko. Õnska on nona de nanu-ni livlu sġaki, tonkia kade nỉtkųaddįa ṡiṡa keṡa, nodi koa maįa tohmo osġagge. Nabi ỉska migi ỉlsyvvaṡimi ontu aįi oritta geska megi te.


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PostPosted: Sun 11 Sep 2011, 09:40 
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MONOBA wrote:
The conlang is still Siwa but it's gone through some aesthetics refinements.

Wasn't that the one for foxes?

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I think what you've posted so far, and what you've posted links for so far, is very impressive.

I echo the requests for morphology, paradigms, and syntax.

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