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PostPosted: Tue 22 May 2012, 16:44 
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/p pʰ t tʰ k kʰ ts tsʰ f s m n ɾ ʘ ʘʰ ᵑʘ ǀ ǀʰ ᵑǀ ! !ʰ ᵑ! ǂ ǂʰ ᵑǂ ǁ ǁʰ ᵑǁ/

/i i ̰ iʱ e e ̰ eʱ a a ̰ aʱ o o ̰ oʱ u u  ̰ uʱ/

Stress and Tone
Stress falls on the first syllable. There are 4 tones: High, Low, Rising, and Falling.

Phonontactics
The basic syllable structure is (Click)C(ɾ)V(ɾ).

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PostPosted: Wed 23 May 2012, 01:45 
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My other currently unnamed conlang, spoken by a clan of 300 forest elves:

Code:
Consonants:

Voiceless plosive:       p             t     k     q
Voiceless fricative:     f     h̪͆    s ɬ                 h
Voiced fricative:              ɦ̪͆     z
Nasal:                   m             n
Liquid:                               l~ɾ          ʁ̞

Vowels:

Close:     i ĩ     ɨ ɨ̃     u ũ
Mid:       e ẽ     ə ə̃     o õ
Open:              a ã


Allophony:
/l/ > [ɾ] when occurring morpheme-medially between two vowels. This is shown in the orthography.
/ʁ̞/ is generally an approximant but may also have slight frication.

Notes:
/p t k q/ are unaspirated
/h̪͆/ is a voiceless bidental non-sibilant fricative
/ɦ̪͆/ is a voiced bidental non-sibilant fricative

Phonotactics:
Syllable structure is CV(C). Morphemes do not begin in lateral or uvular consonants. Nasal consonants and /h/ are restricted to the syllable onset. Uvular consonants do not occur before close vowels.


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PostPosted: Wed 23 May 2012, 16:43 
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Wanted to play with a 2-vowel inventory.

/e o/ are the two underlying vowels.


The consonant inventory could be something like:


/p t ʧ k q/ (-- perhaps I should add some more series, like ejectives, or aspirated plosives)
/b d ʤ g/
/m n/
/f s ʃ x~χ/
/v~ʋ z~ɹ ʁ~ʕ/
/l/
/r/

(This is highly revisable, though.)

The idea is that the vowels should have plenty of allophones, which yields a much larger number surface vowels than the two underlying vowels /e/ and /o/.

- Before a voiced, non-rhotic alveolar, /e o/ becomes [eɪ̯ oʊ̯]
- Before a voiced, non-rhotic alveolar, and following a postalveolar consonant, /e/ becomes [iˑ], and /u/ may become [ʉˑ] or something
- Before /r/, /e o/ becomes [ɛˑ ɔˑ]
- Before /r/ and following a postalveolar, the realisation is [ɪˑ ɵˑ]
- Adjacent to voiced uvulars or pharyngeals, the realisation is [ɜˑ ɑ~ɒˑ]
- Adjacent to unvoiced uvulars or pharyngeals, the realisation is [ɜ ɑ~ɒ]
- Before /t/, /e/ becomes [ɪ~ɨ], and /o/ is [o~ʊ]
- Otherwise, the realisation is [eˑ ɔˑ] before voiced consonants, and [ɛ ɑ~ɒ] before voiceless consonants.

This would yield a surface vowel inventory like this:

Long vowels:

iˑ ʉˑ
ɪˑ
eˑ ɵˑ
ɛˑ ɜˑ ɔˑ
ɑˑ~ɒˑ

Short vowels:

ɪ o~ʊ
ɛ ɜ
ɑ~ɒ

Diphthongs:

e͡ɪ̯ o͡ʊ̯

Some possible words (of the CVCVC form):

/ʧenot/ -> [ʧiˑnʊt]
/berod/ -> [bɛˑro͡ʊ̯d]
/metoq/ -> [mɪtɒq]
/qeteʕ/ -> [qɜtɜːʕ]

Perhaps I should add some rules about vowel reduction in unstressed syllables and other stuff.

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PostPosted: Thu 24 May 2012, 04:09 
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I was tinkering with a vowel system where vowels could be either short, long, or doubled. The phonemic quality would be the same, but the phonetic one would vary. Something like:

/a a: aa/ [a ɑ: ɑa]
/e e: ee/ [ɛ e: eɛ]
/i i: ii/ [ɪ i: iɪ]
/o o: oo/ [ɔ o: oɔ]
/u u: uu/ [ʊ u: uʊ]

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PostPosted: Thu 24 May 2012, 05:30 
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Here is the phoneme inventory of Korpasian:

Plosives: /p b t d ʦ ʣ c ɟ k ɡ/ p b t d ts dz c j k g
Nasals: /m n/ m n
Fricatives: /f v s z ɕ ʑ x/ f w s z sh zh h
Other: /l r j/ l r y
Vowels /a e i o u/ a e i o u

Syllable Structure: (C)(C)(l|r|j|v)V(V)(l|r|j|v)(C)(C)(s|z|ɕ|ʑ)

/l r m n/ can be syllabic.

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PostPosted: Thu 24 May 2012, 15:13 
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Aszev wrote:
I was tinkering with a vowel system where vowels could be either short, long, or doubled. The phonemic quality would be the same, but the phonetic one would vary. Something like:

/a a: aa/ [a ɑ: ɑa]
/e e: ee/ [ɛ e: eɛ]
/i i: ii/ [ɪ i: iɪ]
/o o: oo/ [ɔ o: oɔ]
/u u: uu/ [ʊ u: uʊ]


A was actually one time thinking of diphtong aɑ.

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PostPosted: Thu 24 May 2012, 16:46 
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Batrachus wrote:
A was actually one time thinking of diphtong aɑ.


An early version of Wateu had a diphthong [ɑ͡a].


Btw having three "versions" of the same vowel is kinda interesting. Like "short" - "long" - "long with another quality". Or "short" - "short with another quality" - "long".

Quote:
i - iː - ʉ͡i̯
e̞ - e̞ - ə͡i̯
æ - æː - ɑː
o̞ - o̞ː - o͡u̯
u - uː - ə͡u̯


The different-quality long vowels could have been the "original", which had gone through som quality shift. The same-quality long vowels could be the result of some later lengthening of the original short vowels in some environments.

This reminds me how some varieties of English can have three "long" a's. Apart from regular "short" /æ/ in <cat>, also the /ei/ in <cake> (result of the great vowel shift), the /ɑː/ of <palm/path/start> (lengthening and later retraction of /æ/), and a long /æː/ in words like <bad> (due to 20th century lengthening of short /æ/ in certain words).

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PostPosted: Thu 24 May 2012, 23:38 
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/p t c k/
/m n ɲ/
/m̥ n̥ ɲ̊/
/l l̥/
/ṽ s z̃ h/
-/ṽ/ is actually a nasalized /β/ but it is transcribed as /v/ for better legibility of the tilde.
-Syllable structure is (C)(C)V(C), initial clusters include all stops and fricatives except /h/, + /l/, and any stop + /n/, or /t/ and /k/ + any voiced nasal. After a consonant at the beginning of a word, /l/ is pronounced as the alveolar flap, /ɾ/.
-Finals are /p, t, c, k, m n ɲ/

/a e i o u ɜ ɨ/ + contrasting high and low tone, and creaky voice
-Diphthongs are /uɜ iɜ oɜ eɜ ɨɜ ɜɨ au ai ɜu ɜi/, and all may appear as a syllable nucleus, even in closed syllables.
-In closed syllables, /a/ is pronounced /ɐ/, and /i/ is pronounced /ɨ/ or /ɪ/.
-Before finals /p, t, c, k/, creaky voice is obligatory, and therefore is non-contrastive.


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PostPosted: Fri 25 May 2012, 21:22 
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Aszev wrote:
I was tinkering with a vowel system where vowels could be either short, long, or doubled. The phonemic quality would be the same, but the phonetic one would vary. Something like:

/a a: aa/ [a ɑ: ɑa]
/e e: ee/ [ɛ e: eɛ]
/i i: ii/ [ɪ i: iɪ]
/o o: oo/ [ɔ o: oɔ]
/u u: uu/ [ʊ u: uʊ]

...Damnit, I was going to steal this for Arve, but it'd have to work the other way, since overlong vowels (what would have to be the long vowels here, since they originated from vowel lengthening before clusters beginning with a resonant) are the ones to diphthongize, and it wouldn't make much sense the other way.

edit: if anyone's interested: (things in slashes are the old forms, still reflected in the orthography)
/æ æː æːː/ [ɛ a eə̯]
/a a: a::/ [ɔ aə̯ ɛɔ̯~ɛu̯]
/e e: e::/ [ʌ e iə̯]
/ø øː øːː/ [ʊ ʊi̯ yə̯]
/o oː oːː/ [ɞ ø uə̯]
/i iː iːː/ [ɛ i ʌi̯]
/y yː yːː/ [ø y œy̯]
/u uː uːː/ [ʊ u ɔu̯]


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PostPosted: Sat 26 May 2012, 01:09 
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Mychai's phonemic fricatives are:
/v/ /θ/ /ð/ /s/ /ç/ /ɣ/ /χ/

/v/ becomes [f] when clustered with voiceless plosives.
/s/ becomes [z] when clustered with voiced plosives.
and /ɣ/ becomes [ʝ] around front vowels.

A few questions:
1) How unnatural/permissible is it to have phonemic /v/ and /ɣ/ but not their voiceless counterparts?

2) Is it too weird to have the dental fricatives as separate phonemes when the rest of my fricative series is not?


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PostPosted: Sat 26 May 2012, 01:37 
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/v/ without /f/ is not uncommon, the pair /ɣ/ - /χ/ is a bit odd, maybe I would just use /x ɣ/ (actually, I do this in one of my conlangs).

Dental fricatives are one future that strikes many conlangers as rather Englishy, as they are quite rare cross-linguistically. For me, it's not the dental fricatives per se that look English to me, it's the distinction of /θ/ /ð/.

Your whole fricative inventory looks a bit unbalanced, but seriously, languages have done crazier things.


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PostPosted: Sat 26 May 2012, 09:01 
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Avo wrote:
Dental fricatives are one future that strikes many conlangers as rather Englishy, as they are quite rare cross-linguistically. For me, it's not the dental fricatives per se that look English to me, it's the distinction of /θ/ /ð/.


I think dental fricatives look, fore some reason, more norse than english.

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PostPosted: Sat 26 May 2012, 12:46 
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CrazyEttin wrote:

I think dental fricatives look, fore some reason, more norse than english.


[+1]

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PostPosted: Sat 26 May 2012, 13:00 
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Alomar wrote:
Mychai's phonemic fricatives are:
/v/ /θ/ /ð/ /s/ /ç/ /ɣ/ /χ/

/v/ becomes [f] when clustered with voiceless plosives.
/s/ becomes [z] when clustered with voiced plosives.
and /ɣ/ becomes [ʝ] around front vowels.

A few questions:
1) How unnatural/permissible is it to have phonemic /v/ and /ɣ/ but not their voiceless counterparts?

2) Is it too weird to have the dental fricatives as separate phonemes when the rest of my fricative series is not?


Perhaps /ð ɣ/ came about as a lenition of /d g/ in certain environments, that became phonemic. And /v/ could either be a similar lenition of /b/ (b > β > v), or could have come from /w/.

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PostPosted: Sun 27 May 2012, 08:13 
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Preliminary phoneme inventories of the eastern Txeric languages: (todo: Northern (ex. Ranceu), Western (ex. Txivuneiu), Renzell)

Kannow:
/pʰ pʼ b tʰ tʼ d s tsʼ tɬʰ tɬʼ dɮ tʂʰ tʂʼ dʐ cʰ cʼ ɟ kʰ kʼ g qʰ qʼ ɢ/ <p pʼ b t tʼ d s sʼ ł lʼ l ř rʼ r c cʼ j k kʼ g q qʼ ģ>
/tʷʰ tʷʼ dʷ sʷ tsʷʼ kʷʰ kʷʼ gʷ qʷʰ qʷʼ ɢʷ/ <t tʼ d s sʼ k kʼ g q qʼ ģ>
/m n ŋ/ <m n ņ>
/nʷ ŋʷ/ <n ņ>
/r h/ <ŗ h>
/rʷ w/ <ŗ w>
+ /ʔ ɲ j/ <ʼ ň į> in loanwords
/a e ə i ɨ u/ <a e o i y u>
/aː eː əː iː ɨː uː/ <aa ee oo ii yy uu>

Hoanu:
/t tθ tɬ tʂ kʷ q qʷ ʔ/ <t tz tl tx co k ko h>
/b d dð dʐ gʷ ɢ ɢʷ/ <b d dz dr ĝo g go>
/f θ s ɬ ʂ ɕ xʷ χ χʷ/ <f z s ll x ç ho j jo>
/r l j w/ <r l y w>
/m n ŋ ŋʷ ɴ ɴʷ/ <m n ny nyo ng ngo>
/a ə o i/ <a e u i>

Enzielu, Church Standard
/p t tθ ts tʃ k/ <p t tz ts tx k>
/tsᶹ tʃᶹ/ <tsv txv>
/b d/ <b d>
/f θ s ʃ x/ <f/hv z s x h>
/sᶹ ʃᶹ/ <sv xv>
/ʋ ð̞~r l/ <v r l>
/a ɛ e i u/ <a ĕ e i u>
/aː eː iː uː/ <aa ee ii uu>
Diphthongs: /ae ai au ɛu ea ei eu ia ie iu ua uɛ ue ui/

Enzielu, Ergun dialect
/p t ts tʃ k/ <p t ts tx k>
/p͡m t͡n k͡ŋ/ <pm tn kn>
/f ð s ʃ ç x ɣ/ <v r s z j x g>
/m n/ <m n>
/j ɥ w/ <i y u>
/a e ø o i y u/ <a e ĕ o i y u>
/aː eː (øː) oː iː yː uː/ <aa ee (ĕĕ) oo ii yy uu>
+ /ŋ/ <ng> in loanwords
+ tones, todo

Enzielu, generic Eastern (ex. Kastnil)
/p t ts̻ ts̺ tʃ k/ <p t tz ts tx k>
/ts̻ᶹ ts̺ᶹ tʃᶹ/ <tzv tsv txv>
/(f) s̻ s̺ ʃ ç x/ <(f) z s x j h>
/m l (ɫ) r/ <m n l (ll) r> and either /n/ <n> or /n̻ n̺/ <ṋ n>
/a ə e i u/ <a ĕ e i u>
/aː eː iː uː/ <aa ee ii uu>
+ diphthongs, enormous variation


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PostPosted: Sun 27 May 2012, 09:48 
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Nasalized affricates and nasalized implosives.

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PostPosted: Tue 29 May 2012, 03:29 
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Something inspired by Chukchi:

Code:
Consonants:

Plosive:          p     t           k     q
Fricative:        v     ɬ     ç     ɣ
Nasal:            m     n
Approximant:      w    ɹ l    j           ʁ

Vowels:

Close:     i     ʉ     u
Mid:       e     ə     o
Open:            a


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PostPosted: Tue 29 May 2012, 09:46 
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You /ç/ have without /x/. Doesn't sound very naturalistic to me.


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PostPosted: Tue 29 May 2012, 17:11 
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Omzinesý wrote:
You /ç/ have without /x/. Doesn't sound very naturalistic to me.


Look at Chukchi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chukchi_language#Phonology


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PostPosted: Tue 29 May 2012, 17:23 
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Omzinesý wrote:
You /ç/ have without /x/. Doesn't sound very naturalistic to me.

Japanese has /ç/ withough /x/.

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