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Gleb gave me this one, I don't know why but it tickles my fancy. Its not even especially exotic.

m n ŋ
tʰ t kʰ k
f s x h
l

i iː ɯ ɯː u uː
ɛ ɛː ʌ ʌː ɔ ɔː
a aː
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

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/p k ʔ~h ɾ/ <p c h r>
/i o a/ <i o a>

CV(C)~VC

Final consonant may be /p k ɾ/. The glottal plosive is /h/ word initially and after /ɾ/.

Example:
Ipá por caha.
[i'pa poɾ 'kaʔa]
/1pSing 2pSing love/

That means "I love you." [xD] [xD] [xD]
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

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Nachtuil wrote:Gleb gave me this one, I don't know why but it tickles my fancy. Its not even especially exotic.

m n ŋ
tʰ t kʰ k
f s x h
l

i iː ɯ ɯː u uː
ɛ ɛː ʌ ʌː ɔ ɔː
a aː
Love it! A possible orthography:
m n ng th t kh k f s g h l
ı î w ŵ u û e ê ʌ ʌ̂ o ô a â
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

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DV82LECM wrote:/p k ʔ~h ɾ/ <p c h r>
/i o a/ <i o a>

CV(C)~VC

Final consonant may be /p k ɾ/. The glottal plosive is /h/ word initially and after /ɾ/.

Example:
Ipá por caha.
[i'pa poɾ 'kaʔa]
/1pSing 2pSing love/

That means "I love you." [xD] [xD] [xD]
You know I really like this! My kind of minimalism!
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

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Frislander wrote:
DV82LECM wrote:/p k ʔ~h ɾ/ <p c h r>
/i o a/ <i o a>

CV(C)~VC

Final consonant may be /p k ɾ/. The glottal plosive is /h/ word initially and after /ɾ/.

Example:
Ipá por caha.
[i'pa poɾ 'kaʔa]
/1pSing 2pSing love/

That means "I love you." [xD] [xD] [xD]
You know I really like this! My kind of minimalism!
^i was waiting for this. [xD]
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DesEsseintes wrote:
Frislander wrote:
DV82LECM wrote:/p k ʔ~h ɾ/ <p c h r>
/i o a/ <i o a>

CV(C)~VC

Final consonant may be /p k ɾ/. The glottal plosive is /h/ word initially and after /ɾ/.

Example:
Ipá por caha.
[i'pa poɾ 'kaʔa]
/1pSing 2pSing love/

That means "I love you." [xD] [xD] [xD]
You know I really like this! My kind of minimalism!
^i was waiting for this. [xD]
I'm so predictable me!
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

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That definitely is minimal! :P


cedh:
That is pretty good. I am a fan of doubled vowels for long forms but diacritics works too. Maybe I am just lazy and unimaginative but I sometimes use v for ʌ (obviously this doesn't work too well if a v like sound v like sound exists elsewhere in the phonology of course. I really wish ʌ where a standard character though, it's pretty cool and the idea of seeing it in an orthography pleases me.
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DV82LECM wrote:/p k ʔ~h ɾ/ <p c h r>
/i o a/ <i o a>

CV(C)~VC

Final consonant may be /p k ɾ/. The glottal plosive is /h/ word initially and after /ɾ/.
Ooo, one consonant less than the Lake Plains proto-language!
You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
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Thanks, all! But does NO one see what I did? (Did anyone watch the Jetsons? Hint: really squint at my example.)
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DV82LECM wrote:Thanks, all! But does NO one see what I did? (Did anyone watch the Jetsons? Hint: really squint at my example.)
Yes.
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

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qwed117 wrote:
DV82LECM wrote:Thanks, all! But does NO one see what I did? (Did anyone watch the Jetsons? Hint: really squint at my example.)
Yes.
[;)] At least someone did. Thanks for linking it. But, basically, this is the impetus for the whole thing...minus a few of my own tweaks. I might actually do something with it, though.

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Nachtuil wrote:I am a fan of doubled vowels for long forms but diacritics works too.
Yes, doubled vowels all the way!
I really wish ʌ where a standard character though, it's pretty cool and the idea of seeing it in an orthography pleases me.
I love the look of ʌ in Oneida, and I don't mind v as a vowel in Cherokee.
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For something a little different, I thought I'd do something that looks like it just appeared out of the Amazon rainforest.

/t k/
/tʰ kʰ/
/b~m d~ɾ~n/
/t͡s/
/w j/

/i e ẽ ã u o õ/

/d/ ir realised as [ɾ] intervocalically before oral vowels; both voced stops are realised as nasals before nasal vowels.

Syllables structure is (C)V, where vowel-initial syllables only occur word-initially.

There is a complex syllable-tone system, which contrasts level, rising and fallng tones.
DesEsseintes wrote:
I really wish ʌ where a standard character though, it's pretty cool and the idea of seeing it in an orthography pleases me.
I love the look of ʌ in Oneida, and I don't mind v as a vowel in Cherokee.
<v> is also used in Muscogee, mind you that language has a really weird way of writing its vowels.
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

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/m n ɴ̥/ <m n ʌ / m n ʌ>
/p̼ t k/ <θ t k / pθ̥ t k>
/b b̼ d g/ <b ð d g / b bθ̥ d g>
/ɸ s̞ ɕ x~h/ <f s σ h / f θ̥ s x>
/w j ɰ/ <w j ʍ / wθ̥ y w>
/ɾ ɻ l ʟ/ <r ꝵ l ꝉ/r rθ̥ lθ̥ l>

/i ɨ ɵ æ ɑ o/ <i ủ ẻ ả a o /i ŭ ŏ ă a o>

The phonology was inspired by Des's Sokoan. A Sokoan-ish (not really, ikr) is on the left, but the orthography I like better is on the left. Maybe, I should use a rho for the alveolar approximant, instead of a "rum". I have no idea what to use for velar lateral. Maybe a ᛚ?
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qwed117 wrote:/m n ɴ̥/ <m n ʌ / m n ʌ>
/p̼ t k/ <θ t k / pθ̥ t k>
/b b̼ d g/ <b ð d g / b bθ̥ d g>
/ɸ s̞ ɕ x~h/ <f s σ h / f θ̥ s x>
/w j ɰ/ <w j ʍ / wθ̥ y w>
/ɾ ɻ l ʟ/ <r ꝵ l ꝉ/r rθ̥ lθ̥ l>

/i ɨ ɵ æ ɑ o/ <i ủ ẻ ả a o /i ŭ ŏ ă a o>

The phonology was inspired by Des's Sokoan.
Interesting. I can see a faint similarity I guess, especially in the layout of the phonology. I like the profusion of rhotics and laterals. Velar laterals are the best (except for uvular laterals of course. Go TLFKAT!)
A Sokoan-ish (not really, ikr) is on the left, but the orthography I like better is on the left.
I'm guessing sth went wrong when typing this out?

Why do you choose to have a ring under every theta in the orthography on the right?
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DesEsseintes wrote:
qwed117 wrote:/m n ɴ̥/ <m n ʌ / m n ʌ>
/p̼ t k/ <θ t k / pθ̥ t k>
/b b̼ d g/ <b ð d g / b bθ̥ d g>
/ɸ s̞ ɕ x~h/ <f s σ h / f θ̥ s x>
/w j ɰ/ <w j ʍ / wθ̥ y w>
/ɾ ɻ l ʟ/ <r ꝵ l ꝉ/r rθ̥ lθ̥ l>

/i ɨ ɵ æ ɑ o/ <i ủ ẻ ả a o /i ŭ ŏ ă a o>

The phonology was inspired by Des's Sokoan.
Interesting. I can see a faint similarity I guess, especially in the layout of the phonology. I like the profusion of rhotics and laterals. Velar laterals are the best (except for uvular laterals of course. Go TLFKAT!)
A Sokoan-ish (not really, ikr) is on the left, but the orthography I like better is on the left.
I'm guessing sth went wrong when typing this out?

Why do you choose to have a ring under every theta in the orthography on the right?
The Sokoan inspired orthography is on the right, my mistake. To be honest, I wasn't sure what I wanted to do for that symbol. It's mainly the orthography that's Sokoesque.
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Minicity has fallen :(
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

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DesEsseintes wrote:I love the look of ʌ in Oneida
[+1]

Going for something Pama-Nyungan with a twist…

/m n̪ n nʲ ŋ/ m nh n nj ng
/bm d̪n dn dʲnʲ gŋ/ bm dnh dn dnj gng
/p b t̪ d̪ t d tʲ dʲ k g ʔ/ p b th dh t d tj dj k g ʔ
/ð̞ l j/ r l y

/u uː ʊ o oː ɔ a aː ə ɛ e eː ɪ i iː/ u uu û o oo ô a aa â ê e ee î i ii

(C/ŋj)V(N/SN/R/ʔ)
Nasals assimilate to a following obstruent or nasal.

dnhoodjaan
kaadjâtjûrâ
eethapi
bmêllo
ngyagooro
bîbmînhîr dîn
dhoorâ djoʔaanh
ngyaaʔnhakoorool
ûtjiintjin
ûtjintjâtaaya
kênguyunguyu
moorôr
njaadnînh
tjôngonul bêdje ʔênnii
ʔaayaʔ kang
gngoongngyo
bmâʔayaanh
tjîmmîn
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CC = Common Caber
CK = Classical Khaya
CT = Classical Ĝare n Tim Ar
Kg = Kgáweq'
PB = Proto-Beheic
PO = Proto-O
PTa = Proto-Taltic
STK = Sisỏk Tlar Kyanà
Tm = Təmattwəspwaypksma
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Linguifex wrote:ngyagooro
bîbmînhîr
gngoongngyo
tjîmmîn
I like a lot of the things going on here, Linguifex, but these four words struck me as especially pleasant from a purely aesthetic point of view.

One question: What's the reason you prefer to use j in C_ position but y intervocalically? I would personally go for one or the other. Do palatalised consonants contrast with Cj clusters?
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Tonight I had an idea for Proto-Plains, the ancestor of Proto-Híí.

There were eleven basic consonants *m *n *p *t *s *ł *k *q *l *j *w, each of which could occur plain or glottalised.

The glottalised counterparts of plain stops were ejectives.

The glottalised counterparts of plain fricatives were ejective affricates.

Plain q didn't occur. Instead there was a uvular fricative.

This gives the following inventory in IPA:

/m n/
/m’ n’/
/p t s ɬ k X/
/p’ t’ t͡s’ t͡ɬ’ k’ q’/
/l j w/
/l’ j’ w’/

X is the uvular fricative.

Glottalisation was lost as a phonemic feature in Proto-Híí but other distinctions - most notably the distinction between fricatives and affricates and /q χ/ - were retained. Palatalisation also occurred, giving the Proto-Híí inventory that I've posted before:

*m *n *ŋ
*p *c *t *ƛ *č *k *q
*s *θ *ł *š *x
*l
*y *w

and remain unaccounted for.
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DesEsseintes wrote: and remain unaccounted for.
*θ *ł < **t͡s t͡ɬ < **t͡s’ **t͡ɬ’
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CC = Common Caber
CK = Classical Khaya
CT = Classical Ĝare n Tim Ar
Kg = Kgáweq'
PB = Proto-Beheic
PO = Proto-O
PTa = Proto-Taltic
STK = Sisỏk Tlar Kyanà
Tm = Təmattwəspwaypksma
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