Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread [2011–2018]
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Gleb gave me this one, I don't know why but it tickles my fancy. Its not even especially exotic.
m n ŋ
tʰ t kʰ k
f s x h
l
i iː ɯ ɯː u uː
ɛ ɛː ʌ ʌː ɔ ɔː
a aː
m n ŋ
tʰ t kʰ k
f s x h
l
i iː ɯ ɯː u uː
ɛ ɛː ʌ ʌː ɔ ɔː
a aː
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/p k ʔ~h ɾ/ <p c h r>
/i o a/ <i o a>
CV(C)~VC
Final consonant may be /p k ɾ/. The glottal plosive is /h/ word initially and after /ɾ/.
Example:
Ipá por caha.
[i'pa poɾ 'kaʔa]
/1pSing 2pSing love/
That means "I love you."
/i o a/ <i o a>
CV(C)~VC
Final consonant may be /p k ɾ/. The glottal plosive is /h/ word initially and after /ɾ/.
Example:
Ipá por caha.
[i'pa poɾ 'kaʔa]
/1pSing 2pSing love/
That means "I love you."
𖥑𖧨𖣫𖦺𖣦𖢋𖤼𖥃𖣔𖣋𖢅𖡹𖡨𖡶𖡦𖡧𖡚𖠨
Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Love it! A possible orthography:Nachtuil wrote:Gleb gave me this one, I don't know why but it tickles my fancy. Its not even especially exotic.
m n ŋ
tʰ t kʰ k
f s x h
l
i iː ɯ ɯː u uː
ɛ ɛː ʌ ʌː ɔ ɔː
a aː
m n ng th t kh k f s g h l
ı î w ŵ u û e ê ʌ ʌ̂ o ô a â
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
You know I really like this! My kind of minimalism!DV82LECM wrote:/p k ʔ~h ɾ/ <p c h r>
/i o a/ <i o a>
CV(C)~VC
Final consonant may be /p k ɾ/. The glottal plosive is /h/ word initially and after /ɾ/.
Example:
Ipá por caha.
[i'pa poɾ 'kaʔa]
/1pSing 2pSing love/
That means "I love you."
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^i was waiting for this.Frislander wrote:You know I really like this! My kind of minimalism!DV82LECM wrote:/p k ʔ~h ɾ/ <p c h r>
/i o a/ <i o a>
CV(C)~VC
Final consonant may be /p k ɾ/. The glottal plosive is /h/ word initially and after /ɾ/.
Example:
Ipá por caha.
[i'pa poɾ 'kaʔa]
/1pSing 2pSing love/
That means "I love you."
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
I'm so predictable me!DesEsseintes wrote:^i was waiting for this.Frislander wrote:You know I really like this! My kind of minimalism!DV82LECM wrote:/p k ʔ~h ɾ/ <p c h r>
/i o a/ <i o a>
CV(C)~VC
Final consonant may be /p k ɾ/. The glottal plosive is /h/ word initially and after /ɾ/.
Example:
Ipá por caha.
[i'pa poɾ 'kaʔa]
/1pSing 2pSing love/
That means "I love you."
Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
That definitely is minimal! :P
cedh:
That is pretty good. I am a fan of doubled vowels for long forms but diacritics works too. Maybe I am just lazy and unimaginative but I sometimes use v for ʌ (obviously this doesn't work too well if a v like sound v like sound exists elsewhere in the phonology of course. I really wish ʌ where a standard character though, it's pretty cool and the idea of seeing it in an orthography pleases me.
cedh:
That is pretty good. I am a fan of doubled vowels for long forms but diacritics works too. Maybe I am just lazy and unimaginative but I sometimes use v for ʌ (obviously this doesn't work too well if a v like sound v like sound exists elsewhere in the phonology of course. I really wish ʌ where a standard character though, it's pretty cool and the idea of seeing it in an orthography pleases me.
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Ooo, one consonant less than the Lake Plains proto-language!DV82LECM wrote:/p k ʔ~h ɾ/ <p c h r>
/i o a/ <i o a>
CV(C)~VC
Final consonant may be /p k ɾ/. The glottal plosive is /h/ word initially and after /ɾ/.
You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Thanks, all! But does NO one see what I did? (Did anyone watch the Jetsons? Hint: really squint at my example.)
𖥑𖧨𖣫𖦺𖣦𖢋𖤼𖥃𖣔𖣋𖢅𖡹𖡨𖡶𖡦𖡧𖡚𖠨
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Yes.DV82LECM wrote:Thanks, all! But does NO one see what I did? (Did anyone watch the Jetsons? Hint: really squint at my example.)
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At least someone did. Thanks for linking it. But, basically, this is the impetus for the whole thing...minus a few of my own tweaks. I might actually do something with it, though.qwed117 wrote:Yes.DV82LECM wrote:Thanks, all! But does NO one see what I did? (Did anyone watch the Jetsons? Hint: really squint at my example.)
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Yes, doubled vowels all the way!Nachtuil wrote:I am a fan of doubled vowels for long formsbut diacritics works too.
I love the look of ʌ in Oneida, and I don't mind v as a vowel in Cherokee.I really wish ʌ where a standard character though, it's pretty cool and the idea of seeing it in an orthography pleases me.
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
For something a little different, I thought I'd do something that looks like it just appeared out of the Amazon rainforest.
/t k/
/tʰ kʰ/
/b~m d~ɾ~n/
/t͡s/
/w j/
/i e ẽ ã u o õ/
/d/ ir realised as [ɾ] intervocalically before oral vowels; both voced stops are realised as nasals before nasal vowels.
Syllables structure is (C)V, where vowel-initial syllables only occur word-initially.
There is a complex syllable-tone system, which contrasts level, rising and fallng tones.
/t k/
/tʰ kʰ/
/b~m d~ɾ~n/
/t͡s/
/w j/
/i e ẽ ã u o õ/
/d/ ir realised as [ɾ] intervocalically before oral vowels; both voced stops are realised as nasals before nasal vowels.
Syllables structure is (C)V, where vowel-initial syllables only occur word-initially.
There is a complex syllable-tone system, which contrasts level, rising and fallng tones.
<v> is also used in Muscogee, mind you that language has a really weird way of writing its vowels.DesEsseintes wrote:I love the look of ʌ in Oneida, and I don't mind v as a vowel in Cherokee.I really wish ʌ where a standard character though, it's pretty cool and the idea of seeing it in an orthography pleases me.
Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
/m n ɴ̥/ <m n ʌ / m n ʌ>
/p̼ t k/ <θ t k / pθ̥ t k>
/b b̼ d g/ <b ð d g / b bθ̥ d g>
/ɸ s̞ ɕ x~h/ <f s σ h / f θ̥ s x>
/w j ɰ/ <w j ʍ / wθ̥ y w>
/ɾ ɻ l ʟ/ <r ꝵ l ꝉ/r rθ̥ lθ̥ l>
/i ɨ ɵ æ ɑ o/ <i ủ ẻ ả a o /i ŭ ŏ ă a o>
The phonology was inspired by Des's Sokoan. A Sokoan-ish (not really, ikr) is on the left, but the orthography I like better is on the left. Maybe, I should use a rho for the alveolar approximant, instead of a "rum". I have no idea what to use for velar lateral. Maybe a ᛚ?
/p̼ t k/ <θ t k / pθ̥ t k>
/b b̼ d g/ <b ð d g / b bθ̥ d g>
/ɸ s̞ ɕ x~h/ <f s σ h / f θ̥ s x>
/w j ɰ/ <w j ʍ / wθ̥ y w>
/ɾ ɻ l ʟ/ <r ꝵ l ꝉ/r rθ̥ lθ̥ l>
/i ɨ ɵ æ ɑ o/ <i ủ ẻ ả a o /i ŭ ŏ ă a o>
The phonology was inspired by Des's Sokoan. A Sokoan-ish (not really, ikr) is on the left, but the orthography I like better is on the left. Maybe, I should use a rho for the alveolar approximant, instead of a "rum". I have no idea what to use for velar lateral. Maybe a ᛚ?
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Interesting. I can see a faint similarity I guess, especially in the layout of the phonology. I like the profusion of rhotics and laterals. Velar laterals are the best (except for uvular laterals of course. Go TLFKAT!)qwed117 wrote:/m n ɴ̥/ <m n ʌ / m n ʌ>
/p̼ t k/ <θ t k / pθ̥ t k>
/b b̼ d g/ <b ð d g / b bθ̥ d g>
/ɸ s̞ ɕ x~h/ <f s σ h / f θ̥ s x>
/w j ɰ/ <w j ʍ / wθ̥ y w>
/ɾ ɻ l ʟ/ <r ꝵ l ꝉ/r rθ̥ lθ̥ l>
/i ɨ ɵ æ ɑ o/ <i ủ ẻ ả a o /i ŭ ŏ ă a o>
The phonology was inspired by Des's Sokoan.
I'm guessing sth went wrong when typing this out?A Sokoan-ish (not really, ikr) is on the left, but the orthography I like better is on the left.
Why do you choose to have a ring under every theta in the orthography on the right?
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The Sokoan inspired orthography is on the right, my mistake. To be honest, I wasn't sure what I wanted to do for that symbol. It's mainly the orthography that's Sokoesque.DesEsseintes wrote:Interesting. I can see a faint similarity I guess, especially in the layout of the phonology. I like the profusion of rhotics and laterals. Velar laterals are the best (except for uvular laterals of course. Go TLFKAT!)qwed117 wrote:/m n ɴ̥/ <m n ʌ / m n ʌ>
/p̼ t k/ <θ t k / pθ̥ t k>
/b b̼ d g/ <b ð d g / b bθ̥ d g>
/ɸ s̞ ɕ x~h/ <f s σ h / f θ̥ s x>
/w j ɰ/ <w j ʍ / wθ̥ y w>
/ɾ ɻ l ʟ/ <r ꝵ l ꝉ/r rθ̥ lθ̥ l>
/i ɨ ɵ æ ɑ o/ <i ủ ẻ ả a o /i ŭ ŏ ă a o>
The phonology was inspired by Des's Sokoan.
I'm guessing sth went wrong when typing this out?A Sokoan-ish (not really, ikr) is on the left, but the orthography I like better is on the left.
Why do you choose to have a ring under every theta in the orthography on the right?
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
DesEsseintes wrote:I love the look of ʌ in Oneida
Going for something Pama-Nyungan with a twist…
/m n̪ n nʲ ŋ/ m nh n nj ng
/bm d̪n dn dʲnʲ gŋ/ bm dnh dn dnj gng
/p b t̪ d̪ t d tʲ dʲ k g ʔ/ p b th dh t d tj dj k g ʔ
/ð̞ l j/ r l y
/u uː ʊ o oː ɔ a aː ə ɛ e eː ɪ i iː/ u uu û o oo ô a aa â ê e ee î i ii
(C/ŋj)V(N/SN/R/ʔ)
Nasals assimilate to a following obstruent or nasal.
dnhoodjaan
kaadjâtjûrâ
eethapi
bmêllo
ngyagooro
bîbmînhîr dîn
dhoorâ djoʔaanh
ngyaaʔnhakoorool
ûtjiintjin
ûtjintjâtaaya
kênguyunguyu
moorôr
njaadnînh
tjôngonul bêdje ʔênnii
ʔaayaʔ kang
gngoongngyo
bmâʔayaanh
tjîmmîn
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CC = Common Caber
CK = Classical Khaya
CT = Classical Ĝare n Tim Ar
Kg = Kgáweq'
PB = Proto-Beheic
PO = Proto-O
PTa = Proto-Taltic
STK = Sisỏk Tlar Kyanà
Tm = Təmattwəspwaypksma
AVDIO · VIDEO · DISCO
CC = Common Caber
CK = Classical Khaya
CT = Classical Ĝare n Tim Ar
Kg = Kgáweq'
PB = Proto-Beheic
PO = Proto-O
PTa = Proto-Taltic
STK = Sisỏk Tlar Kyanà
Tm = Təmattwəspwaypksma
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
I like a lot of the things going on here, Linguifex, but these four words struck me as especially pleasant from a purely aesthetic point of view.Linguifex wrote:ngyagooro
bîbmînhîr
gngoongngyo
tjîmmîn
One question: What's the reason you prefer to use j in C_ position but y intervocalically? I would personally go for one or the other. Do palatalised consonants contrast with Cj clusters?
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
Tonight I had an idea for Proto-Plains, the ancestor of Proto-Híí.
There were eleven basic consonants *m *n *p *t *s *ł *k *q *l *j *w, each of which could occur plain or glottalised.
The glottalised counterparts of plain stops were ejectives.
The glottalised counterparts of plain fricatives were ejective affricates.
Plain q didn't occur. Instead there was a uvular fricative.
This gives the following inventory in IPA:
/m n/
/m’ n’/
/p t s ɬ k X/
/p’ t’ t͡s’ t͡ɬ’ k’ q’/
/l j w/
/l’ j’ w’/
X is the uvular fricative.
Glottalisation was lost as a phonemic feature in Proto-Híí but other distinctions - most notably the distinction between fricatives and affricates and /q χ/ - were retained. Palatalisation also occurred, giving the Proto-Híí inventory that I've posted before:
*m *n *ŋ
*p *c *t *ƛ *č *k *q
*s *θ *ł *š *x
*l
*y *w
*ŋ and *θ remain unaccounted for.
There were eleven basic consonants *m *n *p *t *s *ł *k *q *l *j *w, each of which could occur plain or glottalised.
The glottalised counterparts of plain stops were ejectives.
The glottalised counterparts of plain fricatives were ejective affricates.
Plain q didn't occur. Instead there was a uvular fricative.
This gives the following inventory in IPA:
/m n/
/m’ n’/
/p t s ɬ k X/
/p’ t’ t͡s’ t͡ɬ’ k’ q’/
/l j w/
/l’ j’ w’/
X is the uvular fricative.
Glottalisation was lost as a phonemic feature in Proto-Híí but other distinctions - most notably the distinction between fricatives and affricates and /q χ/ - were retained. Palatalisation also occurred, giving the Proto-Híí inventory that I've posted before:
*m *n *ŋ
*p *c *t *ƛ *č *k *q
*s *θ *ł *š *x
*l
*y *w
*ŋ and *θ remain unaccounted for.
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread
*θ *ł < **t͡s t͡ɬ < **t͡s’ **t͡ɬ’DesEsseintes wrote:*ŋ and *θ remain unaccounted for.
Twin Aster megathread
AVDIO · VIDEO · DISCO
CC = Common Caber
CK = Classical Khaya
CT = Classical Ĝare n Tim Ar
Kg = Kgáweq'
PB = Proto-Beheic
PO = Proto-O
PTa = Proto-Taltic
STK = Sisỏk Tlar Kyanà
Tm = Təmattwəspwaypksma
AVDIO · VIDEO · DISCO
CC = Common Caber
CK = Classical Khaya
CT = Classical Ĝare n Tim Ar
Kg = Kgáweq'
PB = Proto-Beheic
PO = Proto-O
PTa = Proto-Taltic
STK = Sisỏk Tlar Kyanà
Tm = Təmattwəspwaypksma