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Well, I guess I'll just flow with it. It's hard for me to see it function well, but whatever.
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Konungr wrote:
Salmoneus wrote:
Konungr wrote:But would it make sense to pluralise the whole world?
Now that's a philosophical question!
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Konungr wrote:Well, I guess I'll just flow with it. It's hard for me to see it function well, but whatever.
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qwed117 wrote:
Konungr wrote:Well, I guess I'll just flow with it. It's hard for me to see it function well, but whatever.
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Konungr wrote:But would it make sense to pluralise the whole world?
Now that's a philosophical question!
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Purposeful philosophy goes here.
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Spanish is head-initial. Sometimes it uses 1 suffix for the whole word, sometimes it pluralises both noun components.

So, in terms of natural languages, it is observed that compound nouns can take plurals.
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Reyzadren wrote:Spanish is head-initial. Sometimes it uses 1 suffix for the whole word, sometimes it pluralises both noun components.

So, in terms of natural languages, it is observed that compound nouns can take plurals.
Don't Spanish compound nouns always form in the plural (like paraguas, sacapuntas)?
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qwed117 wrote:Don't Spanish compound nouns always form in the plural (like paraguas, sacapuntas)?
Those two are verb-noun compounds. Noun-noun compounds, like célula madre "stem cell" and tiburón tigre "tiger shark", are formed from the singular of both nouns.
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(another romlang question, this one more open ended)

What sort of characteristics would a romlang spoken near Turkey take on? Maybe turkish vowels (/ɯ/) or grammatical structure?
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Ælfwine wrote:(another romlang question, this one more open ended)

What sort of characteristics would a romlang spoken near Turkey take on? Maybe turkish vowels (/ɯ/) or grammatical structure?
wouldn't it be more Maltese, instead? (I don't know about under Rum, but the Ottomans didn't consider Turkic to be prestige - Persian and Arabic and Greek and Latin, more than Turkic)
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Relevant

ACAD(EW): A conlanger already did

Not saying you can't both take your language in different directions. That's merely what All4En chose to do.
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Keenir wrote:
Ælfwine wrote:(another romlang question, this one more open ended)

What sort of characteristics would a romlang spoken near Turkey take on? Maybe turkish vowels (/ɯ/) or grammatical structure?
wouldn't it be more Maltese, instead? (I don't know about under Rum, but the Ottomans didn't consider Turkic to be prestige - Persian and Arabic and Greek and Latin, more than Turkic)
Maltese is more Arabic though, no?
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ACAD(EW): A conlanger already did

Not saying you can't both take your language in different directions. That's merely what All4En chose to do.
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Ælfwine wrote:
Keenir wrote:
Ælfwine wrote:(another romlang question, this one more open ended)

What sort of characteristics would a romlang spoken near Turkey take on? Maybe turkish vowels (/ɯ/) or grammatical structure?
wouldn't it be more Maltese, instead? (I don't know about under Rum, but the Ottomans didn't consider Turkic to be prestige - Persian and Arabic and Greek and Latin, more than Turkic)
Maltese is more Arabic though, no?
Maltese is a variety of Arabic, one with quite extensive Romance influence, so I don't know what Keenir's on about here.
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I think his idea is, if a language would have been spoken on an island near Turkey, it would have had Turkish influence only relatively late and instead have a great deal of Italian and Arabic influence for a long time.
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Ælfwine wrote:(another romlang question, this one more open ended)

What sort of characteristics would a romlang spoken near Turkey take on? Maybe turkish vowels (/ɯ/) or grammatical structure?
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Creyeditor wrote:I think his idea is, if a language would have been spoken on an island near Turkey, it would have had Turkish influence only relatively late and instead have a great deal of Italian and Arabic influence for a long time.
Actually if it's near Turkey I'd say Greek would be without a doubt the greatest single influence outside of Turkish.
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Frislander wrote:
Creyeditor wrote:I think his idea is, if a language would have been spoken on an island near Turkey, it would have had Turkish influence only relatively late and instead have a great deal of Italian and Arabic influence for a long time.
Actually if it's near Turkey I'd say Greek would be without a doubt the greatest single influence outside of Turkish.
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Frislander wrote:
Creyeditor wrote:I think his idea is, if a language would have been spoken on an island near Turkey, it would have had Turkish influence only relatively late and instead have a great deal of Italian and Arabic influence for a long time.
*nods* Turkic languages in the Ottoman Empire were looked at about as fondly as, say, Pictish in 12th Century England
Actually if it's near Turkey I'd say Greek would be without a doubt the greatest single influence outside of Turkish.
this is true - certainly Greek would have a greater influence than any Turkic language would...heck, Armenian had a bigger linguistic influence than Turkic did.
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Frislander wrote:
Creyeditor wrote:I think his idea is, if a language would have been spoken on an island near Turkey, it would have had Turkish influence only relatively late and instead have a great deal of Italian and Arabic influence for a long time.
Actually if it's near Turkey I'd say Greek would be without a doubt the greatest single influence outside of Turkish.
Not necessarily. An island near Turkey could easily have been under Venetian control until very recently.
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Ælfwine wrote:(another romlang question, this one more open ended)

What sort of characteristics would a romlang spoken near Turkey take on? Maybe turkish vowels (/ɯ/) or grammatical structure?

Depending on how far back you go,
Phoenician
Luwian
Hittite
Tyrsenian (Lemnian)
Ionian Greek
Aeolic Greek
Eastern Doric of some kind
Mycenaean

All could have exerted some kind of influence, depending on how strong and persistent the contact would have been.
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Lambuzhao wrote:
Ælfwine wrote:(another romlang question, this one more open ended)

What sort of characteristics would a romlang spoken near Turkey take on? Maybe turkish vowels (/ɯ/) or grammatical structure?

Depending on how far back you go,
Phoenician
Luwian
Hittite
Tyrsenian (Lemnian)
Ionian Greek
Aeolic Greek
Eastern Doric of some kind
Mycenaean

All could have exerted some kind of influence, depending on how strong and persistent the contact would have been.
None of those could have exerted any kind of influence (at least not directly), because they all were gone at the time when Romance languages evolved from Latin.
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