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Nicely done. :-)

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So, in my English descendant lang Mekoshan I have a Perfective (I call it Aorist to prevent confusion with the Perfect) derived from the English Non-Past Perfect and a Passive derived from the English "get" passive. Regular verbs retain an underlying -ed inflection in both these forms (though it is sometimes realized as a consonant mutation), and the 2 verb forms are distinguished by a -v- prefix in the Perfective and a -gai- prefix in the Passive

èvsdap
è-v-sdaf-t
1SG-PFV-stop-???
"I stopped"

ègaisdap
è-gai-sdaf-t
1SG-PASS-stop-???
"I was stopped"

My question is, how do I analyze -t (in this case underlying the consonant mutation) in the glosses?

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Another perfective marker maybe? "I was stopped" is (presumably) perfective too judging by the translation. So:

èvsdap
è-v-sdaf-t
1SG-PFV-stop-PFV

and
ègaisdap
è-gai-sdaf-t
1SG-PASS-stop-PFV

maybe?

Or does that not fit how the passive form is used?

Alternatively, they could both be circumfixes with -t as the suffix part.

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OMG, why didn't I think of that??? *facepalm*

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Is a language at least mildly poly-synthetic if it allows totally unrestricted noun-incorporation on verbs?

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Banami bhjaddhos rafi mau cy vyaja cecerror.
Fools do not see the sun nor sail the seas
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That depends entirely on your definition of polysynthesis. I tend to prefer the "metric bucket of morphemes per word" definition, in which case, not necessarily, no.

But aside from issues of definition,

What do you mean by "totally unrestricted"? It sounds like it would be very difficult to label that as noun incorporation. What's your justification for not positing word boundaries?

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I was refferring to Pazmat and how it can basically combine nouns and verbs.

For example, you can append any location noun in front of "eya" ("to go") to mean "to go to X". So "home-go" would be "to go home", "store-go" means "to go to the store", etc. ANY location noun can be used with this. These aren't seperate nouns in the language--this is a productive process.

Another example would be "Tarcja", meaning "to hit". You can append a noun in front of it to mean "to hit with X", such as:

"Yed" = "Sword"
"Yedtarcja" = "to hit with a sword".

Nearly every verb in the language can be combined with at least a few nouns like this.

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Banami bhjaddhos rafi mau cy vyaja cecerror.
Fools do not see the sun nor sail the seas
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I was watching tv, and they said "i'm making Mock Turtle Soup because we don't have any turle"...so I thought "what if you don't have any mock turtle? do you fix some Mock Mock Turtle Soup?"

I thought I had mispronounced it, so I said it again - [mok mok]...but with any speed, it became [mokmop]...and I thought "wait, if its going to mutate, shouldn't the mutation happen earlier in the word, like [mopmok] ?"

I thought it was curious...and I was wondering if there was a name for that final-mutation, (where that mutates instead of the consonant sitting at the compounding point)(or where the consonant jumps from one side of the IPA chart to the other)

Gotcha. I definitely wouldn't call this "totally unrestricted" though. In your first case:


the restriction is that the incorporated noun be a location noun. And in the second case, the restriction is that the incorporated noun be an instrument.

You also need some justification for why the <yed> in <yedtarcja> is not a separate word. This is going to depend on what the most sensible word-boundary criteria are for Pazmat—they vary from language to language.

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If you wanted to use "Yed" seperately (it's considered more formal to not incorporate nouns), it would be in a completely different place and declined. Both of these sentences mean "I hit Wersa* with a sword":

Non-incorporating:
"M Yeduux Wersex tarci."
[INSTR sword-ERGATIVE Wersa-ACC hit-1.SG]

Incorporating:
"Wersex yedtarci."
[Wersa-ACC sword-hit-1.SG]

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*: A common female Paz name,from "Wersaya", meaning "to stand strong against an unending assault", saying that that person will never give in to others and always stands up for their ideals.

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Fools do not see the sun nor sail the seas
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Is it plausible for my conlang not to be pro-drop and also mark person on the verbs?

German.

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Without doubt.

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+1

Arabic does this occasionally. Well, rarely.

Ah,thank you.
I mark person on verbs and not drop pronouns when I speak Croatian,but I have a quite weird idiolect.

Spoken Finnish does that, too.
According to grammars, you can drop the pronouns of the first and second persons, but not those of the third ones.
In the spoken language you can drop all pronouns, but normally you don't do that.

Dear Aszev (and Anywho Would Know):

What's the policy here about posting a translation in a conlang by someone who is
currently accompanying Saint Hildegard of Bingen in the Conlang Choir Eternal? That is, are there rules/caveats about posting translations in a conlang made by a deceased conlanger?
Are conlangs like Helene Smith's Tarvine, Martellotta's Latinulus, and Elias Molée's Niu Teutonish Union Tongue completely off limits to us mere mortals in the glossopoetic sandbox?

What's the protocol?

Have Chrestomathy, Will Travel,

Lambuzhao

Just feel free to... Having such a rule wouldn't make much sense, as it would essentially ban people from trying to use both Esperanto and Quenya, among others.

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I'm making the verb class system for Mîzmiz.
I'll probably have the basic four classes
- transitive
- intransitive unergative
- intransitive unaccusative
- verba sentimenti

Bu I would like to have some extra classes.
Happen you know any good syntactic or semantic criteria?

I have a marking that goes on nouns when they are part of a relative clause, what is its technical term?

Istê mard-ou se zalut-s.
kitten play-present in rain-???

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