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The Collablang Take II (Check first post oft)

Post by Thakowsaizmu » Thu 07 Apr 2011, 20:09

Alright, because we re starting "fresh", we may as well have a new thread to work on. We can do this like we did, or we could blow through some of the phonetics/phonotactics/what-have-you quickly. So far, we are looking at isolating.

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/m m̥ n̥ n ŋ v~ʋ t k tθ~ts s ʃ h j ɰ l r tɬ/
<m mh nh n ng v t k tz s sh h j w l r tl>
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Post by roninbodhisattva » Thu 07 Apr 2011, 20:12

Aha! I was thinking by fresh we meant just kind of with the grammar, but if were starting completely from scratch, it would probably be better to lay down some guidelines for the phonology, so we don't just run wild so to say.
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Re: The Collablang Take II

Post by Thakowsaizmu » Thu 07 Apr 2011, 20:13

roninbodhisattva wrote:Aha! I was thinking by fresh we meant just kind of with the grammar, but if were starting completely from scratch, it would probably be better to lay down some guidelines for the phonology, so we don't just run wild so to say.
We kind of went wild and then edited it all to fit later. But yeah, general guide lines are good.
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Re: The Collablang Take II

Post by Ceresz » Thu 07 Apr 2011, 20:18

Oh, so we're starting completely from scratch? I see :-).
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Post by roninbodhisattva » Thu 07 Apr 2011, 20:19

Since we're doing something isolating, I think might be interesting to not do the normal kind of east Asian phonology. Then again, con-phonologies with a shit ton of stuff packed in...so maybe keep it minimal without making it...asiany. Perhaps an isolating language with very conked consonant clusters?
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Post by Ceresz » Thu 07 Apr 2011, 20:20

roninbodhisattva wrote:Since we're doing something isolating, I think might be interesting to not do the normal kind of east Asian phonology. Then again, con-phonologies with a shit ton of stuff packed in...so maybe keep it minimal without making it...asiany. Perhaps an isolating language with very conked consonant clusters?
Yeah, I was thinking the same actually.

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I quite liked this vowel inventory that you posted in the random phonology thread, Ronin:
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Post by roninbodhisattva » Thu 07 Apr 2011, 20:30

Yeah! It'd be cool to use that one...

I'd like to vote for no voiced stops.
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Post by Ceresz » Thu 07 Apr 2011, 20:31

roninbodhisattva wrote:Yeah! It'd be cool to use that one...

I'd like to vote for no voiced stops.
And I'd like to vote for unvoiced nasals (as well as voiced) :mrgreen:.
Even if they're just allophones.
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Post by Thakowsaizmu » Thu 07 Apr 2011, 20:42

Actually I liked the vowels we had. But I'll be back in a bit.
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Re: The Collablang Take II

Post by Ear of the Sphinx » Thu 07 Apr 2011, 20:48

I'd like to vote for no voiced stops.
It looks too Mandariny for me. I vote for glottalized stops and clicks.
And I'd like to vote for unvoiced nasals (as well as voiced) :mrgreen:.
I'm for. :-)

What about adding some of [n̼ n̥̼ d̼ t̼ tʹ̼ ɹ̼ s̼ n̼ʲ n̥̼ʲ d̼ʲ t̼ʲ t̼ʹʲ ɹ̼ʲ s̼ʲ]?
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Post by roninbodhisattva » Thu 07 Apr 2011, 21:06

Oh god please no clicks. But voiceless nasals I could go for.
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Post by Ceresz » Thu 07 Apr 2011, 21:07

Ugh, sorry, I have to say no to the clicks as well.
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Re: The Collablang Take II

Post by Omzinesý » Thu 07 Apr 2011, 21:09

So this is a thread to make a new conlang?
I could be with.
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Post by roninbodhisattva » Thu 07 Apr 2011, 21:09

The voiceless nasals we could have arise from a h + nasal cluster, allophonically.
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Post by Ceresz » Thu 07 Apr 2011, 21:15

roninbodhisattva wrote:The voiceless nasals we could have arise from a h + nasal cluster, allophonically.
Yeah, I was thinking along those lines as well.
Either that or when a nasal clusters with an unvoiced consonant.

But I like h + nasal better, so if everyone agrees, let's go with that.
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Re: The Collablang Take II

Post by Thakowsaizmu » Fri 08 Apr 2011, 00:32

I think we should go kind of minimal on the phonology. Kind of like we did for the other project, and then after a minimal thing is set up, throw in a few sounds that may have been missed but are a wanted by a creator.
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Re: The Collablang Take II

Post by Pirka » Fri 08 Apr 2011, 04:58

I want to participate. Hey guys! :-D
I agree with Thak, but would much rather keep a minimal phonology all throughout. I really, really don't like complicated phonologies that are always being added to.
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Re: The Collablang Take II

Post by Ceresz » Fri 08 Apr 2011, 13:49

I don't mind a minimal phonology.


To get the ball rolling: let's say that we'll use Ronin's vowel system, and then something like this for consonants: /m n (p) t k s ʃ h j l r/, with [m̥ n̥] as allophones of /m n/ when followed by /h/ or something.

And now everyone can suggest what they want to add or remove.
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Re: The Collablang Take II

Post by MrKrov » Fri 08 Apr 2011, 16:22

Spoiler:
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Presumably the secondary labialization diacritic is still visible?
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Re: The Collablang Take II

Post by Thakowsaizmu » Fri 08 Apr 2011, 16:52

/K/

Although I really liked some of the vowels we had in the last one as well. Mostly /3`/

Also, word structure?
For now I say CV(C) maybe? Or even CV(n,m,nh,mh,t,k,lh) and retain our /s/ -> /t/ at the end?
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