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I vote yes for /tθ'/, but maybe losing the ejective (and I didn't see labialization. The ejective doesn't seem to fit unless we work it into the rest of the inventory. Which could be neat.

Yes to /ɬ/.
Although I really liked some of the vowels we had in the last one as well. Mostly /3`/
We could do /i ɨ u e ɛ ɜ a/ vowel wise and have /ɨ ɜ/ be 'weak' vowels that can't cooccur with other non-weak vowels? We could have the rhoticization as allophonic before /r/?
Also, word structure? For now I say CV(C) maybe? Or even CV(n,m,nh,mh,t,k,lh) and retain our /s/ -> /t/ at the end?
How about words being mono- or di syllabic with an optional word-final coda: CV(CV)(C), with the coda's being limited to something similar the limit's you've placed, adding /r/.

This leaves us with a hypothetical inventory of:

/m m̥ n̥ n (p) t k tθ s ɬ ʃ h j l r/

I've made the voiceless nasals phonemic because if we're doing one consonant codas and having them there, they need to be single phonemes. It's a little strange still, we might wanna fill in a gap or two.
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Re: The Collablang Take II

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roninbodhisattva wrote: We could do /i ɨ u e ɛ ɜ a/ vowel wise and have /ɨ ɜ/ be 'weak' vowels that can't cooccur with other non-weak vowels? We could have the rhoticization as allophonic before /r/?
Or some kind of harmony thing?
How about words being mono- or di syllabic with an optional word-final coda: CV(CV)(C), with the coda's being limited to something similar the limit's you've placed, adding /r/.

This leaves us with a hypothetical inventory of:

/m m̥ n̥ n (p) v t k tθ s ɬ ʃ h j l r/

I've made the voiceless nasals phonemic because if we're doing one consonant codas and having them there, they need to be single phonemes. It's a little strange still, we might wanna fill in a gap or two.
I like the structure idea. I would want to add C(i,u)V(CV)(C)
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Off topic, but Colla-Blang is the most awesome word I've ever come across.
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I like the structure idea. I would want to add C(i,u)V(CV)(C)
I like this.
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I vote yes as well. It looks quite good, and I like the weak vowel thing.

Are there any consonants we want to add?
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Ainuke wrote:Off topic, but Colla-Blang is the most awesome word I've ever come across.
I saw this too :mrgreen:
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Ceresz wrote:Are there any consonants we want to add?
I suggest we add some more affricates (at least /tʃ/) to balance the presence of the /tθ/.

Also, should we have a time at which this phonology is ended/finalized to move onto the next step?
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roninbodhisattva wrote: I suggest we add some more affricates (at least /tʃ/) to balance the presence of the /tθ/.

Also, should we have a time at which this phonology is ended/finalized to move onto the next step?
Agreed. Maybe we could add /tɬ/ as well.

Well, we should at least try to stabilize it before moving on.
We can always come back and mess with it some more later.
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The lateral affricate is probably a good idea.
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Ceresz wrote: Also, should we have a time at which this phonology is ended/finalized to move onto the next step?
Agreed. Maybe we could add /tɬ/ as well[/quote]
Me rike /tɬ/
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The lateral affricate sounds like a good idea to me!
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Re: The Collablang Take II

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I propose the final consonant set as:
/m m̥ n̥ n v~ʋ t k tθ~ts s ʃ h j ɰ l r tɬ/

And maybe these vowels? Though we could cut them down?
/i ɨ ɯ ɛ ɜ ɤ æ ɐ ɑ/
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I agree to the consonants, but I'm not sure about the vowels ...

Any proposed orthography?
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/æ ɐ/
Wat.
My pronouns are <xe> [ziː] / <xym> [zɪm] / <xys> [zɪz]

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Just say no if "Do not want".
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Ceresz wrote:I agree to the consonants, but I'm not sure about the vowels ...

Any proposed orthography?
/m m̥ n̥ n ŋ v~ʋ t k tθ~ts s ʃ h j ɰ l r tɬ/
<m mh nh n ng v t k tz s sh h j w l r tl>

As for the vowels, mostly I am saying let's work within those nine. Shave what we want until we're at a smaller number. Also, length? (Did we discuss vowel length? I forget)

And can we get a show of hands as to who will be participating (as those are the only votes that count)
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Why not just <z> instead of <tz>?

And I will not be participating.
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Ossicone wrote:Why not just <z> instead of <tz>?

And I will not be participating.
To be honest, I am not even in love with <tz>, but having just <z> for <tT> seems counterintuitive to me.
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Hmm, looks pretty good. I myself prefer <y> over <j>, but I don't mind it.
Not really sure what to do with <tz>. Both <tz> and <z> feel wrong for /tθ/.
Maybe just <th> since we're not using it?

I don't think we discussed vowel length.
I usually include vowel length when conlanging, so I guess it could be fun to skip it this time.

And obviously I'm participating.
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