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I'm finally working on a polysynthetic project again (I posted the phonology here - I'm really pleased with it, it's quite uniquely original by my standards), which strangely enough I haven't been recently (the two projects currently on my plate with most development, Frislandian and my Caucasian Semitic project are synthetic sure but not poly really). On the flipside however this language is rather lacking in the voice-department, having only a causative and applicative, and using reflexive pronouns (something I don't think I've used in years). I reckon the name would be something like witə ‘astə‘ə "human language". It has noun class too, which I'm liking using to their full potential. Here's a short text I've just composed.

xə yin natyə wa taŋatrara ‘iwə. ‘inityatrəra netyə. ‘inya‘piyəra nyemenyə nyammə nyantyə ‘isatiyəx. ‘inamə‘untityəra ‘i‘a‘pə‘ən taŋayəx wa namənatyuyəra.
xə yin n-atyə wa t-aŋa<atr>-ra ‘i-wə. ‘i-n-ityə<atr>-ra n-etyə. ‘i-ny-a‘pə-yə-ra ny-emenyə ny-ammə ny-antyə ‘i-s-ati-yəx. ‘i-n-amə-‘-untə-ityə-ra ‘i-‘-a‘pə-‘ə-n t-aŋa-yəx wa n-amə-n-atyu-yə-ra.
DECL EXST IIs-otter CONJ Vs-house<APPL>-REP 3-SG. 3-IIs-walk.PRF<APPL>-REP IIs-river. 3-IIpl-catch-PRF-REP IIpl-minnow IIpl-five IIpl-three 3-IIIpl-hand-ADV. 3-IIs-fish-IV-carry-walk.PRF-REP 3-IV-catch-NOM-NOMP Vs-house-ADV CONJ IIs-fish-IIs-eat-PRF-REP
There was an otter that lived in a house. He went to the river. He caught 8 minnows with his hands. He carried his catch home and ate it.
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Lambuzhao wrote: 10 Sep 2018 15:11
shimobaatar wrote: 01 Sep 2018 13:45
Lambuzhao wrote: 01 Sep 2018 13:42 Anybody know a reason why my particular dialect of :usa: English (SE :us-pa: ) has [oj] for [aj] in words like 'nice' or something like [əj] in 'ice'? I'm not sure if that's a known feature of 'Philly' English, but I definitely hear it in Bucks, (Western) Montgomery counties on the periphery of the city. It comes darn near to sounding like Aussie English, for some reason. Too far inland to be Toide Doialect (?)
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Very interesting! Thanks. [:)] [;)]
No problem! It's probably one of the most distinctive things about my accent/dialect to people out here in Indiana where I go to school.
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I created some new Tim Ar words and began work on a hieroglyphic script for them:

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CC = Common Caber
CK = Classical Khaya
CT = Classical Ĝare n Tim Ar
Kg = Kgáweq'
PB = Proto-Beheic
PO = Proto-O
PTa = Proto-Taltic
STK = Sisỏk Tlar Kyanà
Tm = Təmattwəspwaypksma
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Started translating a piece of a fable I wrote, into Maran.

Δησβαστε Ιντεστε
[dæsbɑstʃ ɪntɛstʃ]
dysboss.NOM.CONJ sun.NOM.CONJ
The Tyrant and the Sun

Μαχα χρονα πριν, εν χρονον εντι ναμ δ' εσσ' ηνας κεννις, Βαστι Νορι τει δησβας αμ ωμηνε νοιμιν Ιμρας, βας δε Δραμιτα.
[mɑxa xrona prɪn, ɛn xronɔn ɛnti naw dɛsænɑs kɛnɪs, bɑsti nori tɛɪ dɛsbɑs aw umænə nɔɪmɪn ɪwrɑs, bɑs dɛ drɑmida]
Tall.PL.OBL time.PL.OBL ago, in time.OBL in-what.OBL NEG-INDEF of 1PLI NEG.COP.3SG bear.PART.FEM, deep.PL.NOM south.PL.NOM by dysboss.OBL COP.3PL rule.PART.PL call.PART.SG.OBL Imras, king.NOM of Dramite.PL.OBL
A long time ago, in a time when none of us were born, the Far South was ruled by a tyrant named Imras, king of the Dramites.

Ωβαν Ιμραν οσαι καιναι αμ οσοι ορτοι σαμ.
[ubɑn iwrɑn ozɑɪ kɑɪnɑɪ aw ozɔɪ ɔrtɔɪ saw]
POSS-king.OBL Imras.OBL many.PL.NOM wife.PL.NOM COP.3PL many.PL.NOM toe.PL.NOM COP.3PL
King Imras had as many wives as he had toes.
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I translated this graffito from Herculaneum into Getic:

Túmī míhiz
Tomis-loc.sg die-2sg.fut.act
yestú duktą̂
be-3sg.imp luck-nom.sg
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I now have a diagram that shows some of the basic adpositions in Vrkhazhian:
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DesEsseintes wrote: 08 Sep 2018 16:59Blackfoot meets Pawnee and Alál?
[:D]

That Pathfinder campaign conlang has a passive voice now, and some more particles, and a large collection of prepositions; I do believe I've been successful in making it familiar enough for the English-speaking players to not feel alienated by it, while also entirely incomprehensible unless one is particularly good at picking out cognates. It's not really a Germanic conlang, just loanword-heavy (being, in-universe, a sort of poorly-designed Fantasy Esperanto), but the players should be able to look at it and think "oh, yes, I see how this was once upon a time sort of related to English".

I finally have a verb agreement/pronoun chart, so that's something.

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I've come to realize that the alignment isn't in fact nominative-accusative, but rather nominative-absolutive. Marked nominative on nouns is mostly gone, though; it only really shows up in one of the Y/N question constructions (A Focht Bhúrm sech? Did the fox see the worm?). There's a developing tendency for left-dislocation in those constructions (Focht ammát Bhúrm sech? The fox, did it see the worm?) where the subject is also marked.

I wonder if one could get it so that you see the marked nominative only in downward-entailing contexts. This could lead to a separate noun form for the subjects of negative statements and questions, among other things. That would be interesting.
Edit: Substituted a string instrument for a French interjection.

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I figured out how to use Excel to convert a string of text in Romanized Mýr into Mýr's abugida. This seems to be the fastest way to write in my conscript.
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A possible paradigm

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  present		past
  sg.      pl.		sg.	pl.
1 lę̌gmi   lęgmás	lígę	ligmé
2 lę̌kši   lękťé	líks	likťé
3 lę̌kti   lęką̂d	lígd	liką̂d

  perfect		future
  sg.      pl.		sg.	pl.
1 leleká   leligmé	ligǎ	lígamas
2 lelektá  lelikťé	lígiz	lígete
3 leleké   lelikêr	lígid	lígąd
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Looks great. Reminds me of some Baltic languages.
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Thanks! Baltic definitely has influenced Getic in a lot of ways, although the verbal system is cribbed from Armenian.

Speaking of which, the following revision was revealed to me in a dream:

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  present		past		   perfect
  sg.      pl.		sg.	pl.	   sg.	    pl.
1 lę̌gmi   lęgmás	elígę	eligmé	   leleká   leligmé
2 lę̌kśi   lękťé	elíks	elikťé	   lelektá  lelikťé
3 lę̌kti   lęką̂d	elígd	eliką̂d	   leleké   lelikêr

  present subjunctive	past subjunctive
  sg.      pl.		sg.	pl.
1 lękǎ     lę̌kamas	likę̌	likǐme
2 lę̌kiz   lę̌kede	likǐs	likǐde
3 lę̌kid   lę̌kąd	likǐd	likę̌d
And a thematic verb:

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  present		past		   perfect
  sg.      pl.		sg.	pl.	   sg.	    pl.
1 berǎmi   béramas	ebérą	ebérame	   bebará   bebirmé
2 bériz    bérede	ebéres	ebérede	   bebartá  bebirťé
3 bérid    bérąd	ebéred	ebérąd	   bebaré   bebirêr

  present subjunctive	past subjunctive
  sg.      pl.		sg.	pl.
1 berǎ     bérāmas	berę̌	béreme
2 bérīz    bérēde	béres	bérede
3 bérīd    bérąd	béred	berę̌d
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1) I have defined the interrogative proforms in Vrkhazhian:
https://www.frathwiki.com/Vrkhazhian#In ... nd_Adverbs

As one can see, the question words are nouns derived from the verb '-l-m "to ask about [something]". The pronouns decline more like nouns and they can also have non-proform meanings: 'ilma "who" can also mean "suspect [of a crime]" and ma'lima "what" can also mean "question".

ša tuwasin šadik nusbub ʾina maʾlim žanaĕ bar.
1fs-NOM son\CONS-MASC.SG 1-SG.GEN ACT.PST-kill\ACT.SG for>what\CONS-FEM.SG reason-MASC.SG.GEN<for
Why did you kill my son?

2) I changed the construct state form of the agent noun pattern CuCC- to CaCyaC to constrast polarly with CiCC- with its own construct state form being CaCwaC.

'ulma / 'alyam "questioner, detective, inspector, interrogator", in Mukhebic, the word becomes 'alīm
'ilma / 'alwam "suspect, interrogatee", in Mukhebic the word becomes 'alūm
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I spent several days not working on any conlangs and I have managed to come back and continue working on Asta rather than start a completely new project.
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Frislander wrote: 03 Oct 2018 19:47 I spent several days not working on any conlangs and I have managed to come back and continue working on Asta rather than start a completely new project.
Congratulations.

I (finally, finally) came up with a comprehensive outline of sound changes from Proto-Híí to Limestone that doesn’t feel contrived. It now looks like Híí and Limestone could actually be related.
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I had planned to write up a quick summary of Alál's verbal argument system, an overview of voices, and such. I had a list with little notes on how the various morphemes operate under various conditions. Then upon actually writing it out, I've found that this is... significantly more complicated than expected. I'd only ever really used a few of these cases in typical translations, so I'd never really thought through what would happen if, say, you use an intransitive agreement marker with the zta preposition that usually introduces a causative agent. (Answer: Turns out that it causes a benefactive argument to be promoted to subject position. Because that makes sense.)

The system operates on the idea of an "argument queue" governing how many arguments are present (valency) and their specific ordering, and a "role queue" that does the same for thematic roles. The base case (of a volitive verb - involitives are a tiny bit different) has a single argument (subject) and a single role (agent). A transitive agreement marker introduces a patient role as well as a second argument (object) at the end of the queue. The causative voice introduces a causal argument at the front of the queue; the inverse swaps the roles of the arguments marked on the verb (usually used to make a sort of quasi-passive voice, but it doesn't actually decrease valency - it's useful/needed because only the first argument marked on the verb can have explicitly-marked volition). Kxa adds an argument in the next available thematic slot at the end of the queue, and zta adds one in the front. That's it. (Aside from some things with incorporated locatives and the circumstantial voice, which has some kinks I'm still working out.)

Various combinations of these produce some odd constructions and I look forward to actually having something written out to show y'all. I wanted to play with a system where it seems in the most basic constructions as if the thematic roles are clearly marked with specific morphemes, but it turns out in just slightly more complex constructions that they rely entirely on ordering, and all of those morphemes serve only to shuffle the arguments and their roles around. It's a mess, but a mess that mostly works. 'Tis good fun.
DesEsseintes wrote: 04 Oct 2018 03:28I (finally, finally) came up with a comprehensive outline of sound changes from Proto-Híí to Limestone that doesn’t feel contrived. It now looks like Híí and Limestone could actually be related.
Congrats! Satisfying historical things are difficult.
Edit: Substituted a string instrument for a French interjection.

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That all sounds fiercely interesting, Kiwi. I look forward to reading your post on this. [:D]
kiwikami wrote: 04 Oct 2018 19:15 the inverse swaps the roles of the arguments marked on the verb (usually used to make a sort of quasi-passive voice, but it doesn't actually decrease valency - it's useful/needed because only the first argument marked on the verb can have explicitly-marked volition).
Interesting you should mention this, since I happen to be working on valency/voice in Limestone and I have something similar going on with patient focus, though volition is not involved.
DesEsseintes wrote: 04 Oct 2018 03:28I (finally, finally) came up with a comprehensive outline of sound changes from Proto-Híí to Limestone that doesn’t feel contrived. It now looks like Híí and Limestone could actually be related.
Congrats! Satisfying historical things are difficult.
Thanks! As I said it’s just an outline. The actual code needs to happen now.
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Vrkhazhian now has modal pronouns:
https://www.frathwiki.com/Vrkhazhian#Modal_Pronouns

ʾAt ṛ-ḳaẇna ḳaḳat ʾažkul.
And the sky shall fall / "and I promise that the sky will fall"
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Been slowly working my way to completing the Swadesh list for Vrkhazhian and Haxyakian:
https://conworkshop.com/view_article.ph ... 10cde89e8f
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Ahzoh wrote: 25 Sep 2018 20:30 I now have a diagram that shows some of the basic adpositions in Vrkhazhian:
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Very nice diagram!

[:D]

does /bi/ mean 'across' or 'over' ?

does /ina/ mean 'up to', 'on the way up to' or 'from the foot of' ??
Sorry if these questions seem pedantic.

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What did I accomplish today? A numeral suffix system.

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