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Khemehekis wrote: 31 Aug 2018 00:34
That was fun to read! You've clearly put thought into their taxonomy. (I also learned a bit of natbiology: amphibians don't have ankles!)

BTW, saying "Lonniformia animals" sounds a bit awkward. How about using the plural "lonniforms"? Just as we say "reptiles" instead of "Reptilia animals". The same with "Amniota animals" -- it should be "amniotes".
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btw, numerals in Lonmai Luna:
Spoiler:
hi 1
ta 2
ti 3
bo 4
mi 5
te 6
pa 7
da 8
wo 9
yu 10
he 11
ha 12
tai 13
be 14
wi 15
dai 16
to 17
so 18
sai 19
ma 0
I prefer to not be referred to with masculine pronouns and nouns such as “he/him/his”.
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Currently reworking the conlang of Undercommon I made for a friend's Pathfinder campaign, from the ground up. Now with 50% more Old High German loanwords and a slightly more English-ish grammar for the sake of the monoglot players who want to learn it. Have recently rediscovered an old love for the history and culture of LOTR dwarves, and as such have broken in Undercommon v2.0 with a translation of that one part of the FOTR film (the text in the book is rather longer, though it has the same effect) that always gives me chills: the Book of Mazarbul.

Án Brúch ún aft ó Chal befách.
They have taken the bridge and the second hall.
Ac Toroe smal, an sec t’únr d’ac el índer er Lenze.
We have barred the gates but cannot hold them for long.
Astrech míthyt-scúth.
The ground shakes.
Tromon. Tromon yn Tioftat.
Drums. Drums in the deep.
Sec t’únr d’ac-eorfá.
We cannot get out.
Scath o’bíbhec yn Fínstar.
A shadow moves in the dark.
Sec t’únr d’ac-eorfá.
We cannot get out....
Bhen-coem.
They are coming.
Last edited by kiwikami on 01 Sep 2018 21:12, edited 4 times in total.
Edit: Substituted a string instrument for a French interjection.

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Noice! Very Noice, kiwikami!
More plz!

BTW:

Anybody know a reason why my particular dialect of :usa: English (SE :us-pa: ) has [oj] for [aj] in words like 'nice' or something like [əj] in 'ice'? I'm not sure if that's a known feature of 'Philly' English, but I definitely hear it in Bucks, (Western) Montgomery counties on the periphery of the city. It comes darn near to sounding like Aussie English, for some reason. Too far inland to be Toide Doialect (?)

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Lambuzhao wrote: 01 Sep 2018 13:42 Anybody know a reason why my particular dialect of :usa: English (SE :us-pa: ) has [oj] for [aj] in words like 'nice' or something like [əj] in 'ice'? I'm not sure if that's a known feature of 'Philly' English, but I definitely hear it in Bucks, (Western) Montgomery counties on the periphery of the city. It comes darn near to sounding like Aussie English, for some reason. Too far inland to be Toide Doialect (?)
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Despite promising myself I would work on Maran by hand, I dove back into my Haskell+Latex project, adapted it for Maran and wrote some new code to generate nice little standalone conjugation tables.

Input:

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telOH	(v)	'carry, bring'
	iia: telOH telEIs telEI telom telete telen
	apa: telson telsas telsa telsom telsate telsan
	pra: telkis telkas telke
	ina: telli
Output:
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Maybe the fontsize is a bit too big, since the goal was to display all of this info more compactly instead of displaying it vertically, but I'll work on resizing it later.
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Sketch for two-cons clusters in Limestone:

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    p   t   k   ’   s   ł   x   r   y   w
p   pp  -   -   p’  ps  pł  px  -   -   -
t   -   tt  -   t’  ts  tł  tsx -   -   -
k   -   -   kk  k’  ks  kł  kx  -   -   -
’   ’p  ’t  ’k  -   ’s  ’ł  ’x  ’r  ’y  ’w
s   sp  st  sk  -   ss  -   sx  -   -   -
ł   łp  łt  łk  -   -   łł  łx  -   -   -
x   xp  xt  xk  -   xs  xł  xx  -   -   -
r   -   -   -   -   rs  -   rx  -   ry  rw
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Feels very iroquoian... not that that's a problem.
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

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k1234567890y wrote: 31 Aug 2018 16:58 btw, numerals in Lonmai Luna:
Spoiler:
hi 1
ta 2
ti 3
bo 4
mi 5
te 6
pa 7
da 8
wo 9
yu 10
he 11
ha 12
tai 13
be 14
wi 15
dai 16
to 17
so 18
sai 19
ma 0
Thanks, but I was just making a comical allusion to someone else whose name gets used as a verb in these corners . . .
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Micamo wrote: 03 Sep 2018 23:15 Feels very iroquoian... not that that's a problem.
Interesting! The last few iterations of Limestone are actually very much inspired by Pawnee. The geminates are remnants of its Blackfoot-inspired infancy. The rs rx rw ry are probably there because I liked rC clusters in Núta.

What exactly reminds you of Iroquoian?
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A possible gradation system for Limestone?

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p     x     w
ps    xs    y
pł    xł    r
px    x(x)  w
t     s     r/y
ts    s(s)  ry
tł    ł     r
tsx   sx    rw
k     x     w
ks    xs    y
kł    xł    r
kx    x(x)  w
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The "continents" on my conworld have names in Ĝade n Tim Ar:
  • Máðíhír
  • Tethír
  • Nȝûrin
  • Ȝurkéłis
  • Sóhatékhír
  • ʕeteĝkuólo
  • Tuóntón
  • Matanhír
Also, I worked on the Six Great Thefts (Klnim ü Ikĝȝô m 'Tür Ðáraʕ).
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CC = Common Caber
CK = Classical Khaya
CT = Classical Ĝare n Tim Ar
Kg = Kgáweq'
PB = Proto-Beheic
PO = Proto-O
PTa = Proto-Taltic
STK = Sisỏk Tlar Kyanà
Tm = Təmattwəspwaypksma
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Why is "continents" in quotes? Are these really just large islands, subcontinents or continent-sized political units?
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WeepingElf wrote: 07 Sep 2018 20:39 Why is "continents" in quotes? Are these really just large islands, subcontinents or continent-sized political units?
The first five are continent-sized political/cultural/geographic units that constitute a supercontinent. The remaining three are their own separate entities.
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CC = Common Caber
CK = Classical Khaya
CT = Classical Ĝare n Tim Ar
Kg = Kgáweq'
PB = Proto-Beheic
PO = Proto-O
PTa = Proto-Taltic
STK = Sisỏk Tlar Kyanà
Tm = Təmattwəspwaypksma
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DesEsseintes wrote: 04 Sep 2018 08:16 A possible gradation system for Limestone?

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p     x     w
ps    xs    y
pł    xł    r
px    x(x)  w
t     s     r/y
ts    s(s)  ry
tł    ł     r
tsx   sx    rw
k     x     w
ks    xs    y
kł    xł    r
kx    x(x)  w
What sound changes in what contexts cause them?
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Omzinesý wrote: 08 Sep 2018 12:08
DesEsseintes wrote: 04 Sep 2018 08:16 A possible gradation system for Limestone?

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p     x     w
ps    xs    y
pł    xł    r
px    x(x)  w
t     s     r/y
ts    s(s)  ry
tł    ł     r
tsx   sx    rw
k     x     w
ks    xs    y
kł    xł    r
kx    x(x)  w
What sound changes in what contexts cause them?
The general idea is to do something vaguely Finnish albeit not as thoroughgoing. Most stems would only show two grades, either 1 and 2, or 2 and 3, and I'd like to see these stem grades operating in valency marking on verbs for instance.

I have a competing idea of gemination occurring when a short vowel is shortened. Like this:
iit → it → itt

I haven’t decided whether to combine the two ideas. Do let me know if you have wild ideas!
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I discovered a new word related to the religious custom in the Lorthoan culture that I would like to share:

behashi, pl. behasheni [ bɛˈhaʃi ] [ bɛhaˈʃɛni ]
n. masc
  1. a liquid concoction used to heighten one’s senses; often consumed during religious rites of passage to encourage the consumer's body to receive information from the universe and face one’s fears
Behashi is a drink that is used to bring the consumer into a state which opens up, shall we say, the crown chakra. I do not know what this drink is comprised of, though I think it might be related to the neilanu tree which has religious, cultural, and historical significance. It is said that once this liquid is consumed, it allows the consumer to receive information (read: visions) from the universal power and to face their (internal) fears. I find a lot of similarities with this religion and Buddhism, although I know there are differences between the two. I still have yet to find the actual name of it which intrigues me so. It has a very special connection with nature and the universe, but I am unsure if this connection gives the practitioners any special powers or abilities; I have not found any direct evidence to support this claim. However, there is plenty of circumstantial evidence which points to certain abilities in the spiritual realm and, perhaps, some relation to telepathy. This is mere speculation at the moment.
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Been playing around with diphthongs in Limestone. The vowel inventory is /a i o u/ and most combos are allowed though the components in a diphthong must either agree in height (±high) or backness (±back).

The possibilities then are as follows:

ao oa
ai ou
ia uo
iu ui


I think it’s likely that either component of all diphthongs can be long, and then normally it’s accented. Both components cannot be long (glide excrescence may occur in such situations?).

Almost forgot! There are also two triphthongs:

aou oai

Sample vocab:

astłiúxtuo
ixtłiraóó’o
a’táoutsxu
ałkúúo / ałkúúwa
ó’ruixtłi
ispuóó’yixta


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I guess this was yesterday, technically, but I took the Tim Ar terms for the Six Great Thefts, worked them backwards to Proto-Tim Ar-O, and found the O reflexes:

m̩háɹà : əβeja
ɬɯ̀skɤ́ : uxiːja
tòlɤ̀ : tə
mìnʕès : nɨneː
tóktìθ : tuksɨː
túàlʕà : tuχʷa
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CC = Common Caber
CK = Classical Khaya
CT = Classical Ĝare n Tim Ar
Kg = Kgáweq'
PB = Proto-Beheic
PO = Proto-O
PTa = Proto-Taltic
STK = Sisỏk Tlar Kyanà
Tm = Təmattwəspwaypksma
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shimobaatar wrote: 01 Sep 2018 13:45
Lambuzhao wrote: 01 Sep 2018 13:42 Anybody know a reason why my particular dialect of :usa: English (SE :us-pa: ) has [oj] for [aj] in words like 'nice' or something like [əj] in 'ice'? I'm not sure if that's a known feature of 'Philly' English, but I definitely hear it in Bucks, (Western) Montgomery counties on the periphery of the city. It comes darn near to sounding like Aussie English, for some reason. Too far inland to be Toide Doialect (?)
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DesEsseintes wrote: 08 Sep 2018 14:51
Omzinesý wrote: 08 Sep 2018 12:08
DesEsseintes wrote: 04 Sep 2018 08:16 A possible gradation system for Limestone?

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p     x     w
ps    xs    y
pł    xł    r
px    x(x)  w
t     s     r/y
ts    s(s)  ry
tł    ł     r
tsx   sx    rw
k     x     w
ks    xs    y
kł    xł    r
kx    x(x)  w
What sound changes in what contexts cause them?
The general idea is to do something vaguely Finnish albeit not as thoroughgoing. Most stems would only show two grades, either 1 and 2, or 2 and 3, and I'd like to see these stem grades operating in valency marking on verbs for instance.

I have a competing idea of gemination occurring when a short vowel is shortened. Like this:
iit → it → itt

I haven’t decided whether to combine the two ideas. Do let me know if you have wild ideas!
Working out at least the original phonological conditions for the gradation is always helpful. It works also for deciding where and how to break the pattern by making the original conditioning unproductive. Especially if you are going to involve gradation in grammaticalised paradigmatic alternations, that's the way I'd proceed.

I still have a fair bit of ironing to do with Kišta, but the basic gradation pattern there follows roughly the Saamic style lengthening gradation. There's rhythmic lengthening of onset consonants in open syllables, governed by the stress pattern, followed by lenition of unlengthened onsets in unstressed syllables, yielding the strong and weak grades. Consonants or clusters falling at the start of syllables with primary or secondary stress are immune to both of these processes, forming a third neutral grade. Quite often the weak and neutral grades are identical.

Later agglutination processes can break the regular pattern. For example, the anaphoric SG3 human pronominal -ti is a fairly recent development out of a cliticised deictic pronoun and doesn't appear in the expected strong grade. It simply attaches to the inflected 3rd person verb, leaving its original gradation pattern untouched. It does, however, get the regular weak grade form -đin when combined with the pronominal plural -n to create the corresponding anaphoric PL3 pronominal.

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nisi-k     sleep-SG1      "I slept"
nisi-n     sleep-SG2      "you slept"
nissi      sleep.3        "(he/she/it/they ...) slept"
nissi-ti   sleep-SG3.ANA  "he/she slept"                (instead of regular *nisi-tti)

nissi-đin  sleep-PL3.ANA  "they slept"
I'll probably also end up having a fair bit of irregular weak grades in Kišta for word forms that have just recently lost final consonants. If you wish, you could always describe these using the regular gradation rules by invoking a zero coda consonant, but I'm not sure if that's the description I want to go with.

I hope you'll find these musings at least somewhat helpful. The latest thing I found myself thinking concerning the Kišta gradation was what to do with the glides /ʋ j ɦ/ that don't exist as geminates when they fall in the strong grade. I may or may not go with adding an extra subsyllabic pulse to the preceding vowel. It's a neat idea but I'm not sure it plays well with the feel of the language.
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