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PostPosted: Thu 22 Dec 2011, 04:01 
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Everytime I look at topics like these, I am filled with rage as everyone uses wierd-ass dialectical pronounciations.

No I won't put this in IPA


Don't worry, half of these "strange" things are errors.

What do you mean, "errors"? :wat:

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Dec 2011, 04:03 
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Pirka wrote:
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Everytime I look at topics like these, I am filled with rage as everyone uses wierd-ass dialectical pronounciations.

No I won't put this in IPA


Don't worry, half of these "strange" things are errors.

What do you mean, "errors"? :wat:


Minor failures at writing in IPA properly.


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PostPosted: Thu 22 Dec 2011, 04:09 
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fɔɹ ʔeɡzæmpũ↗

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Dec 2011, 04:10 
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fɔɹ ʔeɡzæmpũ↗


You just gave one... Thanks.


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PostPosted: Thu 22 Dec 2011, 04:11 
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Point it out for me, please? I want to know my mistake.

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Dec 2011, 04:13 
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Pirka wrote:
Point it out for me, please? I want to know my mistake.


I could, but I hope this isn't how you "really" pronounce those words: you live everyday in an English country. I can't correct that, since I don't really hear you.

I "assume" that it's an error to put a glottal stop at the beginning of "example" since Americans melt their words together, but for you, I can't be 100% sure. There's also that "ex.." done as [egz], either I'm wrong and you have a big accent, or people make some mistakes in here.


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PostPosted: Thu 22 Dec 2011, 04:15 
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I could, ...

Humor me, then!

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Dec 2011, 04:23 
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Visinoid wrote:
I "assume" that it's an error to put a glottal stop beginning of "example" since Americans melt their words together

Not always. /fɔɹ ʔeɡzæmpũ/ is in free alteration with /fɔɹ‿eɡzæmpũ/.

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There's also that "ex.." done as [egz]

AFAIK, /e/ is an allophone of /E/ in an unstressed position.

Would you like me to post a recording of myself saying "example"?

P.S.: I'm surprised you didn't mention the nasal /u/. I thought I would have to explain that.

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Dec 2011, 04:29 
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P.S.: I'm surprised you didn't mention the nasal /u/. I thought I would have to explain that.


I did notice it, no worry. XD

Afaik, English has no plain [e], so... But there are dialects out there. I've seen minor errors, it's not that bad, but it scared Chagen. :3


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PostPosted: Thu 22 Dec 2011, 04:43 
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ae hæv ʌ pɫen [e]


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PostPosted: Thu 22 Dec 2011, 05:09 
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wɛɹː ju↑ fɹʌm↓

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Dec 2011, 06:39 
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aɪ̯ kn̩ ɹid ˌaɪ̯pʰiˈeɪ̯ bəɾ‿aɪ̯ sək æɾ‿ɪʔ
aɪ̯ ɹid ˈɹɪɫi sɫoʊ̯

aɪ̯ kʰæ̃ʔ fɪgɹ̩ aʊ̯ʔ ˈsəmθɪn
waɪ̯ ɑn ɝθ du aɪ̯ si ðɪs ˈəgɫi tʰaɪ̯mz nu ˈɹoʊ̯mɪn fɑ̃ʔ ɑʟ ðə tʰaɪ̯m <?>

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dəz ˈɪniwən ɛʟs si stəf laɪ̯k ðɪs <?>
ɪts ˈstɑɹʔɾ̃‿ə ˈkʰaɪ̯ɾ̃ə pɪs mi ɑf
aɪ̯m ˈjuzɪn gugʟ̩ kɹoʊ̯m baɪ̯ ðə weɪ̯

ˈɪni hɛʟp wʊd bi ˈgɹeɪ̯ʔɫi əˈpɹɪʃi.eɪ̯ɾɪd

ˈɛɾɪʔ
aɪ̯ ˈivɪn si ɪʔ ɪn ðɪs poʊ̯st əv maɪ̯n ɹaɪ̯ʔ naʊ̯ <!> dəˈfəː <?>


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PostPosted: Thu 22 Dec 2011, 11:48 
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Chagen wrote:
Everytime I look at topics like these, I am filled with rage as everyone uses wierd-ass dialectical pronounciations.

No I won't put this in IPA


ɑ͡ɪ̯ spiːk̚ nə͡ʊ̯ ˈdɑ͡ɪ̯əle̞k͡t̚

ˈd͡ʒʌst̚ə kɑ͡ɪn̯d̚ əv ˈɪŋlɪʃ ɑ͡ɪ̯ lɜːnʔ͡t̚ ɪn skuːɫ

ɑ͡ɪ̯ θɪŋk̚ ɪts ˈpɹɪti ˈstændəd̚

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Dec 2011, 12:06 
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Visinoid wrote:
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Point it out for me, please? I want to know my mistake.


I could, but I hope this isn't how you "really" pronounce those words: you live everyday in an English country. I can't correct that, since I don't really hear you.

I "assume" that it's an error to put a glottal stop at the beginning of "example" since Americans melt their words together, but for you, I can't be 100% sure. There's also that "ex.." done as [egz], either I'm wrong and you have a big accent, or people make some mistakes in here.


ɑ͡ɪ̯ wʊd̚ ɪnsɛːʔ͡t̚ ə glɔʔɫ̩ stɔp̚ ə͡ʊ̯nli we̞n ðə wɜːd̚ ɪz sæd̚ ɪn ɑɪzəlɛɪ̯ʃn̩ wɪð ə he̞vi e̞mfəsɪs

nɔʔ͡t̚ ɪn kəne̞ktɪd̚ spiːt͡ʃ

lɑ͡ɪ̯k̚

ʔe̞gzɑːːːːːmpɫ̩

bʌʔ͡t̚

fɔːɹ‿e̞gzɑːmpɫ̩

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Dec 2011, 12:25 
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Silly Visinoid. Not everyone posting here is a native speaker of English :roll:. For example, I would say my pronunciation is fairly good, but I definitely have an accent and I can't for the life of me use /z/ when speaking English. Which is probably fairly common amongst Swedes when speaking English, but it's something I'm trying to work on though.

Not to sound like a dick, but are you really in any position to point out the "mistakes" of native speakers [o.O]?

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Everytime I look at topics like these, I am filled with rage as everyone uses wierdweird-ass dialectical pronounciationspronunciations.

No I won't put this in IPA

I take it you don't speak using a dialect [;)]?

To the rest of you, I apologize for not writing this in IPA but I'm too lazy.

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Dec 2011, 12:36 
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Ceresz wrote:
Silly Visinoid. Not everyone posting here is a native speaker of English :roll:. For example, I would say my pronunciation is fairly good, but I definitely have an accent and I can't for the life of me use /z/ when speaking English. Which is probably fairly common amongst Swedes when speaking English, but it's something I'm trying to work on though.


[+1]

Distinguishing between /s/ and /z/ is one of the hardest parts for me when trying to speak English properly...

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Dec 2011, 12:39 
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xingoxa wrote:
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Silly Visinoid. Not everyone posting here is a native speaker of English :roll:. For example, I would say my pronunciation is fairly good, but I definitely have an accent and I can't for the life of me use /z/ when speaking English. Which is probably fairly common amongst Swedes when speaking English, but it's something I'm trying to work on though.


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Distinguishing between /s/ and /z/ is one of the hardest parts for me when trying to speak English properly...

That probably stems from not having that distinction in Swedish. I've never had any problems with distinguishing /ð/ from /θ/, though. I'm guessing that's because Swedish doesn't have /θ/, therefore my brain couldn't mix them up.

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Dec 2011, 13:50 
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aem fɹʌm nɵɹð̞ɹn vɹdʒɪnjʌ, ð̞ɔ aem naʔ͡t̚ ʃɹ hæɞ ɹɛpɹɪz̞ɛnʌɾɪv ʌv ð̞ʌ hɵɫ ɛɹiʌ ae ɛ̃m. ae ɹmɛmbɹ ð̞ɛɹ bi:ɪ̃ŋ mɛni daeʌlɛkts du tʰ ʌ ɫaɾ ʌv kʰɪdz̞ muvɪ̃ŋ ɪn fɹʌm dɪfɹnʔ ɛɹiʌz̞, ɛn ʌ ɫaʔ͡t̚ biɪ̃ŋ ɪnfluɪnst bae tʰivi. hæɞɛvɹ, ðɪs ɪz̞ hæɞ mi ɪn mae kɫɔs fɹɛnz spikʰ.

wʌɾ aɫwez̞ gaʔ͡t̚ mi ɹɪgaɹdɪ̃ŋ fnimɪkʰ dɪfɹɪnsɪz̞, ɪz̞ ð̞æʔ͡t̚ ɹʌʃɪnz̞ dɪfɹɛnʃieʔ͡t̚ bɪtwin [ʂ], [ɕ], ɛ̃n [sʲ], ɪn [i] ɪn [ɨ]. wtf?


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PostPosted: Thu 22 Dec 2011, 18:30 
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xingoxa wrote:
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Silly Visinoid. Not everyone posting here is a native speaker of English :roll:. For example, I would say my pronunciation is fairly good, but I definitely have an accent and I can't for the life of me use /z/ when speaking English. Which is probably fairly common amongst Swedes when speaking English, but it's something I'm trying to work on though.


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Distinguishing between /s/ and /z/ is one of the hardest parts for me when trying to speak English properly...



What

/z/ is one of the easier sounds ever.

You want a difficult sound, go for /x/

Shit is impossible for me to do without hacking my throat to pieces

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Dec 2011, 18:43 
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I have noticed that those who don't glottalise <t> seem to be a minority on this board.

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