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PostPosted: Sun 04 Mar 2012, 14:32 
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Which of those phones:
  • Alveolar trill [r] and raised alveolar trill [r̝]
  • Unvoiced velar fricative [x]
  • Unv. pharyngeal fric. [ħ]
  • Palatal plosives [c], [ɟ]
  • And other "exotical" sounds
could you pronounce right before you started getting interested in phonetics?

A could pronounce r, x, c, ɟ, r̝ (those sound are in my native language [:D] ), palatal fricatives and epiglottal trill.

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PostPosted: Sun 04 Mar 2012, 16:13 
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I still cannot pronounce [r] [:'(]. It just ends up coming out as something nearer to [ɮ]. [xD]

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PostPosted: Sun 04 Mar 2012, 16:19 
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Pretty sure I could pronounce [r]. Maybe [x] too, but it might have been more like [ʀ̥].


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PostPosted: Sun 04 Mar 2012, 17:01 
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Alveolar trill and l'unvoiced velar fricative. Easy sounds.

As for /c/ and its voiced counterpart, I still can't pronounce them.

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PostPosted: Sun 04 Mar 2012, 17:20 
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Probably none of them.

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PostPosted: Sun 04 Mar 2012, 18:51 
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[x] would be very extremely easy for me... since it's found in my L1, Vietnamese, and because I also already recognized it as a unique sound also found in other languages, although I confused it with [X]. I could also do [c] too to some degree, since it's also in Vietnamese. I could also do /ɾ~ɽ/, because it sounded cool, but I just realized it as /ɹ/.

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PostPosted: Sun 04 Mar 2012, 19:15 
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All of them. [x] appears in my dialect of English, intervocally (cf. Wikipedia), and [c] and [ɟ] appear in English in words like 'cute' (i.e. velar+/ju/). I took Spanish for two years a while back, so I learned /r/, which I sometimes pronounce as the raised trill because I can't tell the difference. I know the phar. fricative because stereotypical Arabic sounds like [ħamaħħiħa] and everyone around here is familiar with that. I really don't think it's *that* difficult of a sound to pronounce.


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PostPosted: Sun 04 Mar 2012, 19:27 
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Probably the trill and the velar fricative.

I've never had problems with [r], but it took me a long time to get the uvular "r" sound in French right.

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PostPosted: Sun 04 Mar 2012, 20:05 
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I still can't reliably pronounce alveolar trills or palatal stops, but I can now pronunce the velar fricatives... The only reason I couldn't pronounce them before was because I was pronouncing them as uvulars... :p

I can pronounce phayngeals, glottals, clicks, uvular trills... I wasn't aware of many of these before becoming interested in phonetics though, so who knows if I could pronounce them.

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PostPosted: Sun 04 Mar 2012, 20:06 
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Boring [ʁ] and [ɥ] and [ɲ] from my native language. :|


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PostPosted: Sun 04 Mar 2012, 21:16 
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Neither. I also managed to shred [K] by pronouncing it like an awkward [T] and it took like one and half year before I realized it when I couldn't figure out how Welsh distinguished the both.

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Mar 2012, 01:23 
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Palatal plosives (voiced and unvoiced) occurs naturally as fronted velars in my native lang, so no issues there! The trilled alveolar is found in some dialects (of Norwegian) so I could probably use it if I was copying them. But it actually took some time before I realized mine wasn't a trill, but a flap... [:$] also I have unvoiced laterals, so woohoo [:D]


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PostPosted: Mon 05 Mar 2012, 02:49 
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Despite being Russian and growing up in a Russian household, the alveolar trill was a problem for me until one year ago.
I haven't looked at the voiceless pharyngeal fricative much before, so I just taught myself how to do that now.
Otherwise, I could do everything on that list.

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Mar 2012, 10:09 
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For me [r], [x] and palatalised consonants are not at all exotic, since they're found in my native language.
Other than that, I still can't pronounce some sounds, especially the consonants [ɬ] and [ɮ]. I mean, if I try, I can manage almost every other sound, but these two!

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Mar 2012, 15:41 
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I cannot do /r/ at all, I end up near-choking for lack of air.

I can barely tell the difference between velar and palatal stops.

I can do /x/ but it comes out as some kind of wierd velar trill.

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Mar 2012, 17:27 
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Chagen wrote:
I cannot do /r/ at all, I end up near-choking for lack of air.

I can barely tell the difference between velar and palatal stops.

I can do /x/ but it comes out as some kind of wierd velar trill.

Velar trills are supposed to be impossible, but I'm convinved I can do them too...

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Mar 2012, 18:50 
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I don't really know if its a velar trill, but I feel a vibration in the back of my mouth when I do /x/.

I think it might actually be a heavily post-velar or pre-uvular trill.

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Mar 2012, 21:43 
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testyal1 wrote:
Alveolar trill and l'unvoiced velar fricative. Easy sounds.

As for /c/ and its voiced counterpart, I still can't pronounce them.

I read your name with /c/ in my head, since ‹ty› is /c/ in Hungarian. :p

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PostPosted: Tue 06 Mar 2012, 00:30 
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-_-' Really? A velar trill? It's probably your uvula (the loose hanging thing) trilling, but then you make friction at the velum. So, what makes the trill isn't velar, but uvular. Have we seen the birth of the velo-fricativy uvular trill? -_^


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PostPosted: Tue 06 Mar 2012, 01:44 
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I'm SO using that in a conlang.

And yeah, it must be a uvular trill. I practiced some more and now I can do /x/ better.

Still can't do /c/. It would help if I know where exactly the palate IS. It's that soft/fleshy part in the middle of the mouth right? If that's true, then I keep analyzing /c/ as /kj/.

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