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Plural had two cases, nominative -t and oblique -j.
I have no idea of how the oblique was used, either it was used for the local functions or then the local cases were just used as in the singular.

I guess no one knows too much about it. That's what I found. Not the whole book. It has something about the cases/numbers, too.
https://helda.helsinki.fi/handle/10224/4083

Many Uralic languages sound like the Slavonic languages, I guess it's palatalisation.
Actually, I have thought the Slavonic languages sound like the Uralic languages. Palatalisation is however not an Indo-European feature.

I saw a video clip that said 'a language closely related to Finnish'.
WTF, if when somebody sings in French, do they say it's closely related to English?

kaikki on suhteellista, niinkuin sanotaan:DD Do you remember what video it was?

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everyone is relative as if it's said? What do you mean by relative?

everything is relative. kohtuullisen yleinen sanonta täälläpäin. Sitä voi, muummuassa, käyttää ylläolevan(See: omniksen viesti) kaltaisissa tilanteissa.

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Either the link is broken, or it just won't open =\


WTF? Can you provide me with a link?

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I'm not Sko, but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J-7YWLyNo8

OMG, Cthulhu devour me now! I wonder if they even understand what they're singing in English...

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Russian is affected much more by Mari and Udmurt... in the core area of standard Russian in the environment or Moscow. There is much substrate effect:
- Nominal copula
- existentil possission structure
- The a>o change in unstressed syllables (It has a finer name?)

If the Uralic languages have affected Swidish, it must be an older event. "pojke" is a loan word. There is much more Swedish effect in Finnish, eg. the /d/ sound - the normal example how a sound can develop in a very odd way.
Swedish had so strong prestige in Finland. It's unnormal that Finnish even became the leading language in Finland. Nationalism relly made the upper class Swedish speakers to change their language for lower Status Finnish, be cause it shall be the national language of our young nation.

Cheesus, so much I need to share here. Where to begin?

1.Yes: French, and any Romance language sounds similar to English, but not because of palatalization but because of the Latin loan words in English.
2. Moscow is an "Russified" Uralic word. If I remember correctly "mosk" meaning "bear", but it was a while since I redd that.
3. Finnish /d/ was [D], in the begin.

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1. Maybe I just cannot understand words in a foreign language. I have to really know it to recognize anything.
2. Funny, in Finnish there isn't a word like that. But that bear thingh sound plausible.
3. That's quite normal a sound change, but how it arised is the funny thing.
Finnish had /D/ in the dialects Agricola began to write. He chose <d> or <dh> to be the letter for it. Very few people used written Finnish or spoke the standard language and most of then spoke Swedish as their first language. So, they began to pronounce <d> as [d]. But the funny thing is Sweish doesn't have the alveolar /d/ but an dental /d/. So Finnish got its only voiced stop, that isn't even a pair of the dental /t/.

And because of that, funny things happen to it in dialects:D

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/a/ never changes to /o/ in unstressed syllables in Moscow dialect. Instead the two phonemes merge into schwa-like vowel; it's called "akanye".

That is only one of the many theories concerning the origin of this name.

Yes, but it was only an allophone of /t/. It became a full phoneme under Swedish influence.

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Source?

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Sorry, does not say what you said!

It says /ð/ existed as a phoneme already at that time. With phonemes, we can pick any letter, really, so using, say, <d> for that wouldn't be wrong. [d] entered Finnish from Swedish, /ð/ didn't become a phoneme due to Swedish influence.

I thought you were referring to what I quoted.
I don't have any sources that say clearly that /ð/ was only an allophone, and it may be that I am wrong. I assumed it to be so, because of the weird nature and behaviour of this sound in native Finnish words.

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What about how it behaves is "weird"?

Consonant graduation (let's call "astevaihtelu" so) has got phonemic in all Finnic languages.
First, there were two phonemic lengths is Proto-Finnish (the name is used variusly, I mean the language BEFORE the Finnic proto-language) /t/ and /tt/.
Second, those get PHONETIC allophones /t/ [t],[ð] - /tt/ [t:],[t;] (t; marking halflong geminate found in eg. Estonian)
Thrird, during the own devolopment of Finnish, in Finnish [t;] -> [t] deleting the distinction.
In nowaday Finnish they vary
mato -madot 'worm - worms'
matto - matot 'carpet - carpets'
In forms madot and matot /t/ and /d/ have a distinction.
We don't need to suppose Swedish influence to make that meaningful.

I, by the way, loaned the dook "Johdatus lapin kielen historiaan" 'Introduction to the History of Lapp Language'.
Baybe I'm at least gonna understant the vowel shift.