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化石 faa3sek6 "fossil" - "fossil"
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Okinawan 五ち ichichi "five" (with counter) - Japanese 一 ichi "one"
(The Okinawan word is actually cognate to Japanese 五つ itsutsu, which has the same meaning)
(The Okinawan word is actually cognate to Japanese 五つ itsutsu, which has the same meaning)
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obrigado vs. ありがとう arigatō "thank you"
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she/her
Conlangs: Hawntow, Yorkish, misc.
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Another possibility is that the pattern of having /m/ as the initial consonant of the 1st pronoun singular and /t/ as the initial consonant of the 2nd pronoun singular is because they are really cognates, either the similarities were formed by borrowing(the borrowing of singular pronouns is not common, but it might have happened, it is claimed that the whole pronoun system of Piraha might be a borrowing from Nheengatu) or that they had a very old common ancestor which is impossible to reconstruct.Khemehekis wrote: ↑29 Jul 2013 07:36 If /m/ is a typical first consonant and /t/ a typical second consonant, speakers all around the world would think /m/ the most natural sound for a first-person pronoun and /t/ the most natural sound for a second-person pronoun.
Besides the /m/ as the initial consonant of the 1st pronoun singular and /t/ as the initial consonant of the 2nd pronoun singular thing, which is basically a northern Eurasian thing, there's another pattern of personal pronouns which existed among aboriginal languages of the west coast of the Americans: /n/ as a part of the 1st pronoun singular and /m/ as a part of the 2nd pronoun singular
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Also a Papuan thing (across family boundaries IIRC) is n- for the first person and k- for the second person.
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nice (:Creyeditor wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018 21:50 Also a Papuan thing (across family boundaries IIRC) is n- for the first person and k- for the second person.
back to false cognates, maybe the Papuan 1st /n/-pronouns and the American 1st /n/-pronouns can be an example of false cognates?
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We should find concrete examples then, probably
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Also, Semitic and other families placed in Afro-Asiatic have /n/ 1P and /k/ 2P, though Semitic alternates with /t/ or /nt/ /k/ being the enclitic form, though Neo-Aramaic, and divergent Arabic Dialects use /t͡ʃ/ and some Ethiopic languages use /h/.k1234567890y wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018 02:01nice (:Creyeditor wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018 21:50 Also a Papuan thing (across family boundaries IIRC) is n- for the first person and k- for the second person.
back to false cognates, maybe the Papuan 1st /n/-pronouns and the American 1st /n/-pronouns can be an example of false cognates?
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wow, that's really a big coincidence.
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Though Akkadian seems to have dropped the /k/ enclitic forms for only /t/, while /k/ became the 1P enclitic.
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maybe the 2S enclitic form and the 1P enclitic form have different etymologies?
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P stands the "Person", not Plural.k1234567890y wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018 22:06maybe the 2S enclitic form and the 1P enclitic form have different etymologies?
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okShemtov wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018 22:25P stands the "Person", not Plural.k1234567890y wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018 22:06maybe the 2S enclitic form and the 1P enclitic form have different etymologies?
sorry for misunderstanding
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/wa/. Both mean "and", though the form alternates with, and may be a shortening of /kwa/.
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Just learned that heather and heath are not cognates. That's surprising.
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They seem to be saying that they _may_ be unrelated; not that they definitely _are_ unrelated.KaiTheHomoSapien wrote: ↑07 May 2018 20:45 Just learned that heather and heath are not cognates. That's surprising.
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German '(und) dann' and Indonesian 'dan' both can be used to introduce sentences whose events temporally follow the events of the preceding sentence.
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