It's not British English though, which I think is more his point.
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Mine probably screams German. One big reason might be that I merge TRAP and DRESS vowels. I just find it really hard to distinguish these. I also sometimes confuse CURE and NURSE vowels. Another problems are low vowels. LOT and CLOTH are both very variable for me, often depending on the person I am speaking to. From time to time I exaggerate the rhotacity of vowels, and of course lettER sometimes makes me slip an /ɐ/ in.
KIT ɪ
DRESS ɛ
TRAP ɛ
LOT ɑ~ɔ~ɐ
STRUT ɐ
FOOT ʊ
BATH a~ɑ~ɛ
CLOTH oː~ɔ
NURSE ɝ
FLEECE iː
FACE ɛi
PALM ɑː
THOUGHT ɔː
GOAT oʊ
GOOSE uː
PRICE ai
CHOICE ɔɪ
MOUTH au
NEAR iːɻ
SQUARE ɛːɻ
START ɑːɻ
NORTH ɔːɻ
FORCE ɔːɻ
CURE juːɻ~ɝ
HappY i
LettER ə˞ ~ ɐ
CommA ə~ɐ
Mine probably screams German. One big reason might be that I merge TRAP and DRESS vowels. I just find it really hard to distinguish these. I also sometimes confuse CURE and NURSE vowels. Another problems are low vowels. LOT and CLOTH are both very variable for me, often depending on the person I am speaking to. From time to time I exaggerate the rhotacity of vowels, and of course lettER sometimes makes me slip an /ɐ/ in.
KIT ɪ
DRESS ɛ
TRAP ɛ
LOT ɑ~ɔ~ɐ
STRUT ɐ
FOOT ʊ
BATH a~ɑ~ɛ
CLOTH oː~ɔ
NURSE ɝ
FLEECE iː
FACE ɛi
PALM ɑː
THOUGHT ɔː
GOAT oʊ
GOOSE uː
PRICE ai
CHOICE ɔɪ
MOUTH au
NEAR iːɻ
SQUARE ɛːɻ
START ɑːɻ
NORTH ɔːɻ
FORCE ɔːɻ
CURE juːɻ~ɝ
HappY i
LettER ə˞ ~ ɐ
CommA ə~ɐ
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Well, Australian is basically non-native really, isn't it?Imralu wrote: ↑12 May 2018 04:40Salmoneus wrote: ↑12 May 2018 00:27LOT /O/ - non-native. Although at first, this might sound like a lot/cloth split - but that would also suggest European, because the lot/cloth split is something that's dying out in native British English, but that still gets emulated by conservative foreign education systems. I appreciate you aren't actually splitting, but since I don't have an intuitive sense of the split myself, as soon as I hear a few "orfs" and "gorns", I'm going to think you're either a cousin of the queen, or a German...
THOUGHT /o:/ - big one for me! /O:/ is quite low - if it raises, I'm liable to interpret it as /oU/. Raising in CHOICE is less egregious because there's no phonemic confusion possible, but it still sounds non-native.
But seriously, there's a whole bunch of Australian things that, if I heard them anywhere outside of the context of a specifically southern hemisphere accent, I'd assume were non-native. Certainly when they were paired with otherwise SSBE features.
[thought? really? I can easily imagine an Australian saying 'lort' or 'gorn'... but I can't imagine them saying 'low' for 'law' or 'so' for 'saw'. I'm not saying you're wrong, obviously, but unless you've got a REALLY strong and weird accent, I think you must mean something different by /o/ than what I think of that as meaning...]
Re: English Dialects
Basically what happens in AuE:
/ʌ/ > [ɐ]
/ɑː/ > [ɐː]
/ɒ/ > [ɔ~ɞ]
/ɔ(r)/ > [oː]
/oʊ/ > [əʉ]
/u/ > [ʉː]
Hence something like:
cup /kʌp/ > [kʰɐp̚]
carp /kɑp/ > [kʰɐːp̚]
cop /kɒp/ > [kʰɔp̚]
corpse /kɔrps/ > [kʰoːps]
cope /koʊp/ > [kʰəʉp̚]
coop /kup/ > [kʰʉːp̚]
/ʌ/ > [ɐ]
/ɑː/ > [ɐː]
/ɒ/ > [ɔ~ɞ]
/ɔ(r)/ > [oː]
/oʊ/ > [əʉ]
/u/ > [ʉː]
Hence something like:
cup /kʌp/ > [kʰɐp̚]
carp /kɑp/ > [kʰɐːp̚]
cop /kɒp/ > [kʰɔp̚]
corpse /kɔrps/ > [kʰoːps]
cope /koʊp/ > [kʰəʉp̚]
coop /kup/ > [kʰʉːp̚]
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Re: English Dialects
Geoff Lindsey says that "thought" can actually approach IPA cardinal [o] (the 7th cardinal vowel) in "standard southern British" accents. Since "goat" is something like [əʊ] in many British accents, I don't think it would be particularly close to the 7th cardinal vowel. It makes some sense to me, since my NORTH/FORCE vowel is something like [o˞], and THOUGHT/NORTH/FORCE in British accents sounds to me like it has a similar quality (non-rhotic, obviously) to my NORTH/FORCE.Salmoneus wrote: ↑12 May 2018 15:27Well, Australian is basically non-native really, isn't it?Imralu wrote: ↑12 May 2018 04:40Salmoneus wrote: ↑12 May 2018 00:27LOT /O/ - non-native. Although at first, this might sound like a lot/cloth split - but that would also suggest European, because the lot/cloth split is something that's dying out in native British English, but that still gets emulated by conservative foreign education systems. I appreciate you aren't actually splitting, but since I don't have an intuitive sense of the split myself, as soon as I hear a few "orfs" and "gorns", I'm going to think you're either a cousin of the queen, or a German...
THOUGHT /o:/ - big one for me! /O:/ is quite low - if it raises, I'm liable to interpret it as /oU/. Raising in CHOICE is less egregious because there's no phonemic confusion possible, but it still sounds non-native.
But seriously, there's a whole bunch of Australian things that, if I heard them anywhere outside of the context of a specifically southern hemisphere accent, I'd assume were non-native. Certainly when they were paired with otherwise SSBE features.
[thought? really? I can easily imagine an Australian saying 'lort' or 'gorn'... but I can't imagine them saying 'low' for 'law' or 'so' for 'saw'. I'm not saying you're wrong, obviously, but unless you've got a REALLY strong and weird accent, I think you must mean something different by /o/ than what I think of that as meaning...]
Re: English Dialects
Might as well give this a shot.
KIT ɪ
DRESS ɛ
TRAP æ
LOT ä
STRUT ʌ (or even ə)
FOOT ʊ
BATH æː
CLOTH ɑː
NURSE ə˞
FLEECE ɪi ~ i
FACE eɪ
PALM äː
THOUGHT ɑ
GOAT oʊ (first element can be slightly unrounded)
GOOSE ʉː (can be diphthongized like ɨʉ)
PRICE ɐi
CHOICE ɔi~oi
MOUTH æʉ
NEAR iɚ
SQUARE eɚ
START ɑɚ
NORTH oɚ
FORCE oɚ
CURE jɚ
HappY i
LettER ə˞
CommA ə
Of course, I can totally be selecting the wrong IPA symbols for the things I hear in my head. Here's what I do know:
/u/ is fairly fronted, approaching /ʉ/
The difference between [ɚ] and say [ɝ] are very difficult to tell for me. I could be using [ɝ] when I mean [ɚ] or vice versa, so I've generalized them all as /ɚ/ in my idiolect.
Some vowels can be diphthongized. Stressed /i/ for example can be diphthongized to /ɪi/ (common from what I hear). Alternatively, /oɚ/ and /ɑɚ/ can be monophthongized to /o̴ ɑ̴/.
KIT ɪ
DRESS ɛ
TRAP æ
LOT ä
STRUT ʌ (or even ə)
FOOT ʊ
BATH æː
CLOTH ɑː
NURSE ə˞
FLEECE ɪi ~ i
FACE eɪ
PALM äː
THOUGHT ɑ
GOAT oʊ (first element can be slightly unrounded)
GOOSE ʉː (can be diphthongized like ɨʉ)
PRICE ɐi
CHOICE ɔi~oi
MOUTH æʉ
NEAR iɚ
SQUARE eɚ
START ɑɚ
NORTH oɚ
FORCE oɚ
CURE jɚ
HappY i
LettER ə˞
CommA ə
Of course, I can totally be selecting the wrong IPA symbols for the things I hear in my head. Here's what I do know:
/u/ is fairly fronted, approaching /ʉ/
The difference between [ɚ] and say [ɝ] are very difficult to tell for me. I could be using [ɝ] when I mean [ɚ] or vice versa, so I've generalized them all as /ɚ/ in my idiolect.
Some vowels can be diphthongized. Stressed /i/ for example can be diphthongized to /ɪi/ (common from what I hear). Alternatively, /oɚ/ and /ɑɚ/ can be monophthongized to /o̴ ɑ̴/.
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KIT ɪ
DRESS ɛ
TRAP æ
LOT ɑ ~ CLOTH* ɑː
STRUT ə
FOOT ɯ̹̽
BATH æ
NURSE ɝː
FLEECE i
FACE ɛɪ̯ ~ eɪ
PALM ɑ ~ THOUGHT* ɑː
GOAT ɤ̞ʊ
GOOSE u
PRICE aɪ̯
CHOICE o̞ɪ̯
MOUTH aʊ
NEAR iɝ ~ iːɝ
SQUARE ɛɝ ~ eɝ
START äɻ̬
NORTH ɔɻ̬~oɻ̬ ~ FORCE* oːɻ̬
CURE ɝː
HappY iˑ
LettER ɝ
CommA ʌ
Yikes...
*length not contrastive/present all the time.
DRESS ɛ
TRAP æ
LOT ɑ ~ CLOTH* ɑː
STRUT ə
FOOT ɯ̹̽
BATH æ
NURSE ɝː
FLEECE i
FACE ɛɪ̯ ~ eɪ
PALM ɑ ~ THOUGHT* ɑː
GOAT ɤ̞ʊ
GOOSE u
PRICE aɪ̯
CHOICE o̞ɪ̯
MOUTH aʊ
NEAR iɝ ~ iːɝ
SQUARE ɛɝ ~ eɝ
START äɻ̬
NORTH ɔɻ̬~oɻ̬ ~ FORCE* oːɻ̬
CURE ɝː
HappY iˑ
LettER ɝ
CommA ʌ
Yikes...
*length not contrastive/present all the time.
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Re: English Dialects
Well, here's mine
KIT ɪ
DRESS ɛ
TRAP æ
LOT ɑ
STRUT ʌ (it's definitely not actually [ʌ] but it's not quite [ə] either)
FOOT ʊ
BATH æ
CLOTH ɑ
NURSE ɚ
FLEECE i
FACE eɪ
PALM ɑ (though historical /l/ has been reinserted into most of the words with orthographic l)
THOUGHT ɑ
GOAT oʊ
GOOSE ʉu
PRICE (split between RIDER aɪ and WRITER əɪ)
CHOICE ɔɪ
MOUTH aʊ
NEAR i˞
SQUARE ɛ˞
START ɑ˞
NORTH o˞
FORCE o˞
CURE jɚ
HappY i
LettER ə˞
CommA ə
KIT ɪ
DRESS ɛ
TRAP æ
LOT ɑ
STRUT ʌ (it's definitely not actually [ʌ] but it's not quite [ə] either)
FOOT ʊ
BATH æ
CLOTH ɑ
NURSE ɚ
FLEECE i
FACE eɪ
PALM ɑ (though historical /l/ has been reinserted into most of the words with orthographic l)
THOUGHT ɑ
GOAT oʊ
GOOSE ʉu
PRICE (split between RIDER aɪ and WRITER əɪ)
CHOICE ɔɪ
MOUTH aʊ
NEAR i˞
SQUARE ɛ˞
START ɑ˞
NORTH o˞
FORCE o˞
CURE jɚ
HappY i
LettER ə˞
CommA ə
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Here are my vowels:
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KIT ɪ
DRESS ɛ
TRAP æ
LOT ä
STRUT ʌ
FOOT ɵ
BATH æ
CLOTH ä
NURSE ɹ
FLEECE i
FACE e
PALM ä (l-coloured, but not sure how to notate that)
THOUGHT ä
GOAT o
GOOSE u
PRICE əi
CHOICE ʊi
MOUTH æu
NEAR i˞ ᶦɹ (disyllabic)
SQUARE e ᶦɹ (disyllabic)
START ˞a˞ ((nearly) disyllabic)
NORTH oɹ (disyllabic)
FORCE oɹ (disyllabic)
CURE ᶦuɹ (disyllabic)
HappY i
LettER ɹ
CommA ʌ
DRESS ɛ
TRAP æ
LOT ä
STRUT ʌ
FOOT ɵ
BATH æ
CLOTH ä
NURSE ɹ
FLEECE i
FACE e
PALM ä (l-coloured, but not sure how to notate that)
THOUGHT ä
GOAT o
GOOSE u
PRICE əi
CHOICE ʊi
MOUTH æu
NEAR i˞ ᶦɹ (disyllabic)
SQUARE e ᶦɹ (disyllabic)
START ˞a˞ ((nearly) disyllabic)
NORTH oɹ (disyllabic)
FORCE oɹ (disyllabic)
CURE ᶦuɹ (disyllabic)
HappY i
LettER ɹ
CommA ʌ
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Re: English Dialects
How I pronounce the vowels:
KIT ɪ
DRESS ɛ
TRAP æ
LOT ɑ
STRUT ʌ
FOOT ʊ
BATH a
CLOTH ɑ
NURSE ɝ
FLEECE i
FACE ei
PALM ɑ
THOUGHT ɑ
GOAT ou
GOOSE u
PRICE ai
CHOICE ɔi
MOUTH au
NEAR iɹ
SQUARE æɹ
START ɑɹ
NORTH ɔɹ
FORCE ɔɹ
CURE ʊɹ
happY i
lettER ɚ
commA ə
KIT ɪ
DRESS ɛ
TRAP æ
LOT ɑ
STRUT ʌ
FOOT ʊ
BATH a
CLOTH ɑ
NURSE ɝ
FLEECE i
FACE ei
PALM ɑ
THOUGHT ɑ
GOAT ou
GOOSE u
PRICE ai
CHOICE ɔi
MOUTH au
NEAR iɹ
SQUARE æɹ
START ɑɹ
NORTH ɔɹ
FORCE ɔɹ
CURE ʊɹ
happY i
lettER ɚ
commA ə
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Re: English Dialects
KIT /i/ [ɪ]
DRESS /e/ [ɛ]
TRAP /æ/ [æ] modulo GenAm æ-raising, which is arguably phonemic because æ was raised differently (to [æi̯]) before [ŋ], but this no longer applies, so novel æ + [ŋ] sequences can be -eə̯ŋ- rather than -æi̯ŋ- (bank [bæi̯ŋk], Bernanke [bɚˈneə̯ŋkɪi̯])
LOT = PALM
STRUT /ʌ/ [ʌ]
FOOT /u/ [ʊ]
BATH = TRAP
CLOTH = THOUGHT
NURSE /ɝ/ [ɚ]
FLEECE /ij/ [ɪi̯]
FACE /ej/ [ɛɪ̯]
PALM /ɑ/ [ɑ]
THOUGHT /o/ [ɔə̯]
GOAT /ʌw/ [əʊ̯]
GOOSE /uw/ [ʉ̈u̯]
PRICE /aj/ [a(e̯)] modulo Canadian raising
CHOICE /oj/ [o̝e̯]
MOUTH /æw/ [æɞ̯]
NEAR /ir/ [iɚ̯]
SQUARE /er/ [eɚ̯]
START /ar/ [ɔɚ̯]
NORTH /or/ [o̝ɚ̯]
FORCE = NORTH
CURE I'm not sure what this is supposed to be. ur > or, but jur > (usually) jɚ.
happY /ɨ/ [ɪi̯]
lettER /ɚ/ [ɚ]
commA /ə/ [ə]
Nothing terribly divergent from GenAm other than phonetics -- marry-merry-Merry merged, cot-caught and pin-pen unmerged. There are, however, no secondary stresses in the names of the days of the week; it is an unfortunately common misconception that there are, brought about by people who read English more than hear it, and pronounce things as they are spelled, rather than as they are.
DRESS /e/ [ɛ]
TRAP /æ/ [æ] modulo GenAm æ-raising, which is arguably phonemic because æ was raised differently (to [æi̯]) before [ŋ], but this no longer applies, so novel æ + [ŋ] sequences can be -eə̯ŋ- rather than -æi̯ŋ- (bank [bæi̯ŋk], Bernanke [bɚˈneə̯ŋkɪi̯])
LOT = PALM
STRUT /ʌ/ [ʌ]
FOOT /u/ [ʊ]
BATH = TRAP
CLOTH = THOUGHT
NURSE /ɝ/ [ɚ]
FLEECE /ij/ [ɪi̯]
FACE /ej/ [ɛɪ̯]
PALM /ɑ/ [ɑ]
THOUGHT /o/ [ɔə̯]
GOAT /ʌw/ [əʊ̯]
GOOSE /uw/ [ʉ̈u̯]
PRICE /aj/ [a(e̯)] modulo Canadian raising
CHOICE /oj/ [o̝e̯]
MOUTH /æw/ [æɞ̯]
NEAR /ir/ [iɚ̯]
SQUARE /er/ [eɚ̯]
START /ar/ [ɔɚ̯]
NORTH /or/ [o̝ɚ̯]
FORCE = NORTH
CURE I'm not sure what this is supposed to be. ur > or, but jur > (usually) jɚ.
happY /ɨ/ [ɪi̯]
lettER /ɚ/ [ɚ]
commA /ə/ [ə]
Nothing terribly divergent from GenAm other than phonetics -- marry-merry-Merry merged, cot-caught and pin-pen unmerged. There are, however, no secondary stresses in the names of the days of the week; it is an unfortunately common misconception that there are, brought about by people who read English more than hear it, and pronounce things as they are spelled, rather than as they are.
Re: English Dialects
You mean like [ˈθɜɹzdeɪ̯] instead of [ˈθɜɹzdi]? Huh, I know older folk around Sydney pronounce the days of the week with a weak [di] too actually.Nortaneous wrote: ↑05 Oct 2018 08:08 KIT /i/ [ɪ]
DRESS /e/ [ɛ]
TRAP /æ/ [æ] modulo GenAm æ-raising, which is arguably phonemic because æ was raised differently (to [æi̯]) before [ŋ], but this no longer applies, so novel æ + [ŋ] sequences can be -eə̯ŋ- rather than -æi̯ŋ- (bank [bæi̯ŋk], Bernanke [bɚˈneə̯ŋkɪi̯])
LOT = PALM
STRUT /ʌ/ [ʌ]
FOOT /u/ [ʊ]
BATH = TRAP
CLOTH = THOUGHT
NURSE /ɝ/ [ɚ]
FLEECE /ij/ [ɪi̯]
FACE /ej/ [ɛɪ̯]
PALM /ɑ/ [ɑ]
THOUGHT /o/ [ɔə̯]
GOAT /ʌw/ [əʊ̯]
GOOSE /uw/ [ʉ̈u̯]
PRICE /aj/ [a(e̯)] modulo Canadian raising
CHOICE /oj/ [o̝e̯]
MOUTH /æw/ [æɞ̯]
NEAR /ir/ [iɚ̯]
SQUARE /er/ [eɚ̯]
START /ar/ [ɔɚ̯]
NORTH /or/ [o̝ɚ̯]
FORCE = NORTH
CURE I'm not sure what this is supposed to be. ur > or, but jur > (usually) jɚ.
happY /ɨ/ [ɪi̯]
lettER /ɚ/ [ɚ]
commA /ə/ [ə]
Nothing terribly divergent from GenAm other than phonetics -- marry-merry-Merry merged, cot-caught and pin-pen unmerged. There are, however, no secondary stresses in the names of the days of the week; it is an unfortunately common misconception that there are, brought about by people who read English more than hear it, and pronounce things as they are spelled, rather than as they are.
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Re: English Dialects
I'm not sure exactly of my vowels- I'm basically General American, but my /ə ʌ/ might be slightly untypical from GA, as I have a light Philly accent, and the stronger varieties of Philly Dialect do weird things to unstressed vowels, but for me, it's pretty much unoticible unless you're doing a narrow transcription of my speech- though if you catch me saying <Water> in fast speech, it's not [ˈwɔɾɚ] but somewhere between [ˈwʊ̞ɾɚ] and [ˈwo̙ɾɚ]. Note that neither [ʊ̞] or [o̙] occur in any other lexeme for me.
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Yeah, I'm from Philly too, and I always found it interesting that we have [ˈwʊ̞ɾɚ] but no other similarly-pronounced words. It's just kind of its own thing.
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Re: English Dialects
How about "Washington"? It doesn't end up with FOOT, but in the MD-PA region it does sometimes take an inserted rhotic. And does anyone have THOUGHT in "water"? Usually it has PALM.
Right. /θɚzdɨ/ is older; /θɚzdej/ is a spelling pronunciation.
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Re: English Dialects
General Australian here.
Notes:
DRESS e
TRAP æ
LOT ɔ
STRUT a
FOOT ʊ
BATH ɑː
CLOTH ɔ
NURSE ɜː
FLEECE ɪi
FACE æɪ
PALM ɑː
GOAT əʉ
GOOSE ʉː
PRICE ɑɪ
CHOICE ɔɪ
MOUTH aʉ
NEAR ɪː
SQUARE ɛː
START ɑː
NORTH/FORCE/THOUGHT oː
HappY i
CURE jʉə
LettER a ~ ə
CommA a ~ ə
Notes:
- My /a/ is central and is possibly [ɐ].
- Wiktionary lists Australian LOT as having the /ɒ/ vowel, but mine is definitely merged with /ɔ/ as in CLOTH.
- I have the typical incomplete TRAP-BATH split wherein there is no split before /n/ or /m/, such as DANCE or PLANT; except in a few words like AUNT and CAN'T.
- My POOL / COOL vowel is [ʊː].
- My /ə/ at the beginning of words is /a/. When I was learning the IPA, I was confused when told "shwa is pronounced as in About".
DRESS e
TRAP æ
LOT ɔ
STRUT a
FOOT ʊ
BATH ɑː
CLOTH ɔ
NURSE ɜː
FLEECE ɪi
FACE æɪ
PALM ɑː
GOAT əʉ
GOOSE ʉː
PRICE ɑɪ
CHOICE ɔɪ
MOUTH aʉ
NEAR ɪː
SQUARE ɛː
START ɑː
NORTH/FORCE/THOUGHT oː
HappY i
CURE jʉə
LettER a ~ ə
CommA a ~ ə
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Re: English Dialects
So you're from Philly? Do you have [a] in words like "after", "bath", "chance", "glass", etc. the way I do?Shemtov wrote: ↑05 Oct 2018 20:08 I'm not sure exactly of my vowels- I'm basically General American, but my /ə ʌ/ might be slightly untypical from GA, as I have a light Philly accent, and the stronger varieties of Philly Dialect do weird things to unstressed vowels, but for me, it's pretty much unoticible unless you're doing a narrow transcription of my speech- though if you catch me saying <Water> in fast speech, it's not [ˈwɔɾɚ] but somewhere between [ˈwʊ̞ɾɚ] and [ˈwo̙ɾɚ]. Note that neither [ʊ̞] or [o̙] occur in any other lexeme for me.
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Re: English Dialects
Another foreign pronunciation of English :
KIT i̞
DRESS ɛ
TRAP a ~ æ
LOT ɔ
STRUT ɐ
FOOT ʊ (yes, for some reason, my FOOT vowel is more lax than my KIT vowel)
BATH ɑː
CLOTH ɔ
NURSE ɚː
FLEECE iː
FACE ei̯
PALM ɑː
GOAT ou̯
GOOSE uː
PRICE ai̯
CHOICE oi̯
MOUTH ɑu̯
NEAR iːɚ̯
SQUARE eːɚ̯
START ɑːɻ
NORTH/FORCE oːɚ̯
THOUGHT oː
HappY i
CURE jɚː
LettER ɚ
CommA ə
This is the result of learning British English in school, but never being able to force myself to speak non-rhoticly.
KIT i̞
DRESS ɛ
TRAP a ~ æ
LOT ɔ
STRUT ɐ
FOOT ʊ (yes, for some reason, my FOOT vowel is more lax than my KIT vowel)
BATH ɑː
CLOTH ɔ
NURSE ɚː
FLEECE iː
FACE ei̯
PALM ɑː
GOAT ou̯
GOOSE uː
PRICE ai̯
CHOICE oi̯
MOUTH ɑu̯
NEAR iːɚ̯
SQUARE eːɚ̯
START ɑːɻ
NORTH/FORCE oːɚ̯
THOUGHT oː
HappY i
CURE jɚː
LettER ɚ
CommA ə
This is the result of learning British English in school, but never being able to force myself to speak non-rhoticly.
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Re: English Dialects
What, as in the TRAP-BATH split?Khemehekis wrote: ↑02 Jan 2019 07:55So you're from Philly? Do you have [a] in words like "after", "bath", "chance", "glass", etc. the way I do?Shemtov wrote: ↑05 Oct 2018 20:08 I'm not sure exactly of my vowels- I'm basically General American, but my /ə ʌ/ might be slightly untypical from GA, as I have a light Philly accent, and the stronger varieties of Philly Dialect do weird things to unstressed vowels, but for me, it's pretty much unoticible unless you're doing a narrow transcription of my speech- though if you catch me saying <Water> in fast speech, it's not [ˈwɔɾɚ] but somewhere between [ˈwʊ̞ɾɚ] and [ˈwo̙ɾɚ]. Note that neither [ʊ̞] or [o̙] occur in any other lexeme for me.
(There are some old dictionaries where the pronunciation guides seem to indicate the existence of the TRAP-BATH split in AmE, with slightly different conditioning than the British split (it applied to 'ant'), but it died out and for all I know was artificial in the first place.)
(Could the variance in the pronunciation of 'aunt' be a relic of the split? It can't be a spelling pronunciation; otherwise we'd expect THOUGHT instead of PALM.)