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I wondered if I could merge the optative and desiderative as well but it appears I should not.

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It all depends on what you want. It's unreasonable for the to be separate and it's no crazy for them to be together.
I know I'm still working out the moods in Inyauk.

I just realized that I read your first question wrong anyway.

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Is there some word for things like an Umlaut, but for consonants? You know, like stem alternation?

Do you mean this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trema_(diacritic)

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Consonant gradation/mutation.

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The right term for vowels is ablaut right? Or am I losing it?

EDIT: Nvm. The wiki confirms I am losing it.

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Thank you two, consonant gradiation was the word. :)

Ablaut, umlaut, inlaut... It depends on the situation.


You're welcome.

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Are there any attested examples of devoiced vowels, allophonic or otherwise?

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This?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_p ... #Devoicing

There are other languages too, but I am lazy.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheyenne_l ... #Phonology for phonemic voicing of vowels

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Although it's stated in the article that voiceless vowels are allophones of voiced vowels in certain environments: "The high and low pitches are phonemic, while vowel devoicing is governed by environmental rules, making voiceless vowels allophones of the voiced vowels." Then again, it doesn't actually specify what those enviroments are but still suggests they're allophones as opposed to phonemes but, like [ts], they're distinguished in writing.

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goddammit I referenced the wrong one

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anyone know why Weekend in French happens to be "le week-end" rather not "la fin de semaine"?

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Note that in Canada it is "la fin de semaine". I dunno why European francophones decided to go for "le week-end" instead. Because it's shorter, probably, whereas in Canada using native French words is more of an identity thing.

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ah ok, that's interesting. Thanks Sectori.

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Tho in colloquial speech it's more like [fæ̃d̥smɛn] which isn't longer! Sectori is right though, afaik QcFr tends to frenchify higher register words more often than EuFr. Otoh, in colloquial speech and slang it's of course loaded with anglicisms.

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But is there any reason for that? One would think the French would be almighty and proud and not allow any English influence in their "beloved" language.

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AFAICT the French Language Academy doesn't consider it "correct" French so they're probably annoyed about it. From what I've managed to find online though it's a term they borrowed into French from US soldiers during WWII that's just stuck around. On a similar line of thought, I've heard a number of people complain in the UK about americanisms in British English who've turned in that very discussion and used an americanism :p So much for consistency :)

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What is the difference between the cohortative mood and the jussive? Are there languages that have both?

Also, is there a basic hortative mood, aside from the exhortative, dehortative, cohortative, etc.? Are there examples of contrasts between three or more hortative moods?

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